Any Battlestar Galactica fans here?

[onona]

Did you watch the finale?

OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE WORST PIECE OF CRAP FINALE EVER. So, what the hell was the deal with Starbuck? She's an angel? WTF?! And why did we need to see the backstories of characters who ended up kicking the bucket in the end anyway? And don't even get me started on the whole "god's plan" ****e - WHAT A CRAP ENDING.

They should have left all the supernatural crap out of the show. Seriously.

Man, I feel so... grrrrrrrrrr!!!

[onona]

My musings, posted live. (http://www.leighvanderbyl.com/temp/facebookBSG.jpg)

[Miktar]

Huge fan, and I loved the ending. Can't please everyone I guess, just glad they pleased me. :P Then again, I even liked the boxing episode in Season 2, which most "fans" hated, so I guess I'm just a different kind of fan.

[Boggle24]

I loved it, thought it was a great ending, the only bit I thought was kind of silly was that they would throw away all technology to start anew, I get why they would do it, but considering where they ended up, they could have made life pretty hard for themselves. Obviously I don't mean things like creature comforts and so on, just simple things to help them survive, then again they didn't go into much detail as to what they would be keeping

All in all, a great show, now that it's over I'm back to Stargate, Season 6 is some of the best Sci Fi I have ever watched in my entire life.

[BattleMoose]

BSG is like one of the greatest shows ever, havent seen the finale tho, but i do absolutely agree, leave supernatural religious stuff somewhere else.

[Visi_Ace]

I am a fan. Watched all the series except the last one. Will get it sometime. It is one of the few programmes I take time to watch.

[Gambit]

**** I am so far behind!!!!! The last episode I saw was ep 10 season 4!! Thanks for adding spoiler tags.

[EP1]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I think BSG is better than hot buttered toast and the finale was perfect. Everyone will want their own ending but this fits in perfectly with the ideals of the show and answered a whole lot of questions and raised some as well.

[wrathex]

Can't wait to see it.

[onona]

Come on guys, you don't think the whole "god's plan" thing wasn't the tiniest bit of a huge ****ing cop out? Everyone is saying we should have seen it coming, but I'd always thought that Roslin's spirituality was a result of her cancer, and always found Six's god talk amusing but indicative of a ****ed up brain. I didn't expect it to all turn out to be reality.

Starbuck being an angel was totally ****ing fail. As was the fact that there were Baltar and Six angels. Fail. Fail. Fail.

And the worst part, is that it ultimately reduced the Cylons to a meaningless plot device.

[Kensei]

Dammit, I need to catch up :( I have only watched the first half of season 3 :(
Need money to buy the DVDs :(


Then again, I even liked the boxing episode in Season 2, which most "fans" hated, so I guess I'm just a different kind of fan.

I loved that episode, and I am told that actually does occur in the military - my friend was telling me about how he got to beat the crap out of his commanding officer :p

[wir]

Eeek! So many blocks of black text!

I need to catch up some time. :)

[onona]

More ranting.

So, Baltar's supposed to be an angel? An angel of what, exactly? Was he supposed to be the devil to counter Six's angel on the shoulder of the series? Six was the one who started all of this. How does that make any sense? If you're going to play the 'god' card, there are rules to that world that you need to abide by. Baltar and Six were self absorbed for the entire series and actively killed billions. Not exactly angelic behaviour by any means.

Cavil's suicide was lame. The guy is a fighter. He's been fighting for the entire series, and shooting himself was a betrayal of his character.

As for Rosalin, what was the point of her sisters and the student/teacher 'date'?? The death of her sisters prompted her to join politics? Ummm... DO I CARE?? I just watched her playing the role of politician for four seasons... it's a little late for the 'how she got there' back story, which ultimately ends up feeling like pointless filler. It felt totally irrelevant.

Lee and Starbuck drinking... another somewhat pointless back story, not least due to the fact that there was virtually no chemistry in the sequences. Lee trying to chase a pigeon out of his house... I'm sure that's a metaphor for something. But again, do I care?

Hera, what about her? She's supposed to be Eve, or what? Eve was the mother of mankind, but there were already people wandering around in the grass!? How does this make sense?

So let's fly the entire fleet into the sun. Why? You're telling me that 38,000 people and a bunch of cylons all decided that penicillin and flushing toilets were something they could live without? That's totally unrealistic.

The Six having a Baltar ghost/angel the whole time was ridiculous too. Why did she have the Baltar angel? She's a Cylon.

[Miktar]

Onona, Cavil's reaction was actually suggested by his actor, and the entire scene changed from him shooting Helen and then Tai going ballistic on his ass. Cavil is the ultimate nihilist, that's his character - so when things weren't going his way, he ducked out.

I dunno. Sounds like BSG wasn't what you wanted it to be, which gives fair cause for consternation, but I totally enjoyed the ride and accepted the various answers Moore decided to give. It seemed no more out of place to me than anything else in the series.


As for them going native being unrealistic, I disagree. I thought that was the most realistic thing in the show, so far. It makes sense, if you take into account everything that happened.

As for the character development sections - well, I enjoy those for the context they bring, and because I love seeing the actors do them. You say there was no chemistry in the scene between Starbuck and Lee - I dunno, I saw it there in spades. As for the pidgeon scene, it's a belief of the West that when a bird flies into your house, you've seen a ghost. Makes sense, don't it?

[Garson007]

You know. Onona, it's what was bugging me from the very start of the show. From the very start I was saying "Hang on, surely this is Sci-Fi and not just some fantasy" - when all the prophecy bull**** came to light. I was hoping all along that everything would have a scientific conclusion, be it with time-travel (like B5) - whatever. What I was left with was one of the worst endings I've ever seen. They even tried to make it all message for current humanity like and it came over as seriously lame.

I'm seriously disappointed, but not entirely unexpected, as I've always wanted scientific-like answers and have hoped for them from the, start since the show is classified as a Sci-Fi - but each episode just cementing more that they won't be proven with science(fiction).

[Miktar]

I think you guys have been watching a different show than me for the last four years. Oh well.

[Boggle24]

I mentioned it before actually, on another forum I believe, but BSG to me was never really a bog standard "Sci-Fi", it was more of a fantasy-sci-fi-drama, and the ending I got was pretty much what I was expecting, granted it wasn't -as- climactic as I was hoping for, when you take into consideration what the show was doing from the start the ending was perfect.

I have to agree with Miktar here, it's like you guys were watching something else.
:/

[onona]

No, we were watching exactly the same show as you. We just have a different opinion about how it all ended. And for what it's worth, I know quite a few people who were equally disappointed, so it's really not just us.

[Boggle24]

Fine enough, we just viewed the show from a different angle, or we simply have different tastes when it comes to Sci-Fi, nothing new I suppose.

For the record, I wouldn't have expected that you were alone in the disappointment, in what perfect world would that even be possible. :P
If everyone agreed with my tastes in television The Sarah Connor Chronicles would currently be getting the highest viewing ratings on television instead of being shoved into the Friday slot of death with a quarter of the viewers it used to get.

[onona]

SPOILERS

I generally hate sci-fi shows. BSG is the only one I've ever persevered with (well, and Lost, but that's not pure sci-fi), because I've hated all the others. A bunch of my friends are heavily into sci-fi TV, and whenever I have the misfortunate of having to sit through episodes of it in their company, I find every second cringe-inducing. Shows like Stargate, Firefly, Primeval, and pretty much everything else on the Sci-Fi Channel bore the living sh!t out of me. They're usually full of washed up actors who can't get better gigs because they're crap at acting, and the stories are even worse than the poor acting.

But BSG was different. It had politics. It had compelling characters. It had very human stories. It wasn't all about flying around blasting aliens - there was real suspense, intrigue. The Cylons weren't these baddies with no personalities that simply served as cannon fodder - they were a part of the plot. The earlier seasons really transcended the whole sci-fi genre - I felt that the only reason it was categorised as sci-fi was because it was set in space. The rest of the show was more of a drama. And I liked that.

Then Rosalin started going on about prophecies. And I thought, okay this is fine. She's ill, she's delusional, she's having whack dreams, that's fine. And as for Baltar's "imaginary" Six, her religious ramblings were simply amusing, I felt that they were an entertaining flaw in her character.

I really, really hated the fact that it all turned out to be part of a greater plan. That type of ending is such a huge cop out. It renders everything that came before as ultimately meaningless, because they were all simply acting out their parts in a pre-destined story. It reduced the entire Cylon part of the story to a pointless plot device, which is exactly the opposite of what I'd previously felt.

The show could easily have avoided supernatural garbage and stayed level headed, instead of roaming into unnecessary fantasy territory. And yeah, one could say that we should have seen it coming. And frankly, the religious/prophecy rubbish in the show, especially around season 3, was pretty tiresome. But then they found "Earth", and it was a barren sh!thole, and I thought, great, so it was all a pile of crap in the end, the prophecy and all that. They were wrong.
And then, this second half of season 4 had so much good stuff going down, some really amazing episodes that had nothing to do with that crap. It was like they'd finally left it all behind. And then - WHAM!! Starbuck is an angel. And all of this has been part of some god's plan. How is this not lame? I was expecting so much more.

[BattleMoose]

As far as sci-fi goes, plot setting and technology, BSG got so much just damn right, it really felt like the setting and technology of BSG really could be the future. People are wearing comparatively normal clothes, the style of combat that was being used seemed to be a direct projection of WWII Pacific Carrier Fleet battles, into the future and in space. (This particular aspect really appealed to me) Things werent changed because of the need to make it look different, most of the time, things seemed to be kept the same. Because that would make sense. (Assault rifle >>>> Star trek phaser)

Mixing sci-fi so strongly with religion and supernatural religious stuff just seems so silly, am I wrong in thinking that most people who like sci-fi awesomeness tend to also be the type of person who cringes at supernatural nonsenses..... Breaking immersion and all that as well.

[Miktar]

*facepalms*

I'm surprised how many people missed the "It doesn't like it when you call it that" line from Head Baltar at the end.

The people getting uppity about the 'religious' angle of things, I think you need to go back and rewatch the entire series, because you missed the plot.

[onona]

There is a difference between missing the plot, and thinking that the plot was ultimately stupid.

[Garson007]

One thing it had going for it is that, like Onana said, it had that modern Drama feel; you know, the Desperate Housewives era. In that way it transcended any Sci-Fi before it. I watched B5 lately and as good as the plot is, it's done in a very old fashioned Sci-Fi way, so much so that the show is dated not on its CGI but on its dramatic ability. In this way I think TV shows have come a long way since the turn of the century.

I think this is proof that drama can work within a Sci-Fi environment, so I will remember BSG. Most definitely not for its silly plot, but for what it has done to one of my favorite genres.

[.dB]

I skimmed over the thread as to avoid any spoilers that weren't blacked out, but I'm a bit worried about some of the negative reactions. I'm catching up, here's hoping it isn't as bad as some of the posts make it out to be.

[RAVEN]

Onona: I totally agree with you. For me, the artistic direction of this show's first season is what got me hooked, but by season 2 they had done away with much of the eeriness of the space combat scenes, and other elements. Then, the direction seemed to change away from the "Cylons chasing humans across space cat and mouse" theme, and I though "Excellent - mix it up a little!" But no, that lasted all of, what, 3 episodes? 4, perhaps? By the fourth season, I had started watching more out of habit than anything else, and when the 4th season drew to a close, all I felt was relief! (And, what the hell is up with those 20-25 minutes of "tear-jerking" mood scenes with mournful violins playing??? I almost turned it off right there and then! Immediately thereafter, I had to go find myself something more cheerful to watch - and this coming from someone who enjoys dark, eerie stuff!)

[onona]

Lulz. (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_depressed_distant_since)

[wir]

I just finished the finale, and I must say I agree with onona...


OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE WORST PIECE OF CRAP FINALE EVER. So, what the hell was the deal with Starbuck? She's an angel? WTF?! And why did we need to see the backstories of characters who ended up kicking the bucket in the end anyway? And don't even get me started on the whole "god's plan" ****e - WHAT A CRAP ENDING.

They should have left all the supernatural crap out of the show. Seriously.

Man, I feel so... grrrrrrrrrr!!!
This.


I'm surprised how many people missed the "It doesn't like it when you call it that" line from Head Baltar at the end.
I found that quite amusing. ^.^



Would've like it if some of said "supernatural" things could have be-...

I was hoping all along that everything would have a scientific conclusion, be it with time-travel (like B5) - whatever.
This.


I also think there should have been more Romo Lampkin in season 4. He's a totally awesome character.

[Xcaliber]

Lol. Lucky i stopped caring about the show around last year. Once religion started showing its foot in the show , i switched off.

[vii]

Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread. I just finished watching the series from 1-4. I was over at a friends place a while ago when he was watching the 2hour pilot to Caprica.

I got the series and I was hooked right off the bat, It kept me enthralled through every episode. I love how they mixed science and religion(well, not religion, but something). Even though Baltar was a traitor from the start I couldn't help but like his character. He made a lot of mistakes, but most of what he did, he did with good intentions(well, 'cept for a few of em). Throughout the series he was the Hero in my eyes.

I loved how the story played out. Here and there were a few things that bothered me, but in the long run they did so much right, that I don't even remember what they did wrong.

The ending was fantastic, Could've done without the whole Starbuck being a angel or w/e

Admiral Adama was a beacon of whats right throughout the story to me, He made mistakes. He was a Beacon of righteousness but with Human flaws.

I had hoped the final 5 would play a bigger role but alas...

My opinion on the Baltar and Six angels: They aren't Baltar and Six, they are how Baltar and Six saw them... Baltar attached six's image to the Guide(I'm thinking of them as more of a guide on the path than a angel. A helper along the way). In the end they show them as Baltar and Six because that is the image we have associated with them.


All in all I loved it, It explored so much, and did so much more with the Genre than I had ever suspected.

It has officially bumped SG1 off as my favorite Series of all time. I look forward to re watching it sometime. I also need to get my hands on the Mini Series. I'm also quite giddy for the new Caprica series...