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Toxxyc
31-07-2012, 11:29 PM
The response time pretty much indicates the time it takes the screen to turn a pixel from off (black) to on (white) and off (black) again completely. 8ms is a **** fast time, meaning it can do that 125 times a second, if it wishes to. That's FAST, and you won't really notice it.

Griff3n
05-08-2012, 05:25 PM
I think I am going to save up for a tad and get a BIG ASS A-FREEKING-MAZING screen at rAge.

Now on a side note. I should probably start looking into upgrading my system. I bought my current PC back when I was in Gr11 [fast approaching 5 years ago] It is still going strong.

Current specs are:

1 TB Segate HDD
Radeon HD 4850
4 GB DDR 2 800MHz
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 Q9550
ASUS P5Q SE2

I am pretty sure that the motherboard is still viable for a few more years. The thing is I want to start going into Mini desktops much like the Alienware Mini Desktop (http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd.aspx?ref=1701prodDetails). The specs of the desktop look fairly decent but I dont know if it is a good idea as the console may be hard to fix if anything happens. So are there options to build on myself of is this going to be something that I am going to need to get pre-built?

Wesley
05-08-2012, 08:21 PM
The X51 is a great little thing and there is some room for expansion and upgrading so long as you opt for the stronger power supply. There are ITX chassis available for cheaper prices and you might be able to put together something for much cheaper than the asking price of the X51. Bear in mind that even with the Core i7 and the GTX555 in the X51 you'll be limited to gaming at 1080p and medium settings and 720p on high.

As for your current system, it's okay even for today's standards. I think the DDR2 RAM might hurt your performance in the long run but you'll be able to offset that with a GPU upgrade. Five years is a long time though, and it might be a good idea to start looking around at prices for a brand new setup. You're going to be paying a pretty penny for a decent ITX setup but its worth it from a size point of view. Some of the mini chassis are also pretty portable and make going to LANs easier.

.exe
06-08-2012, 01:56 PM
The thing is I want to start going into Mini desktops much like the Alienware Mini Desktop (http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-x51/pd.aspx?ref=1701prodDetails). The specs of the desktop look fairly decent but I dont know if it is a good idea as the console may be hard to fix if anything happens. So are there options to build on myself of is this going to be something that I am going to need to get pre-built?

I'd be wary of something like that personally. Looks awesome, but maybe it's a bit too specialised.

Griff3n
06-08-2012, 02:02 PM
I'd be wary of something like that personally. Looks awesome, but maybe it's a bit too specialised.

In terms of fixing it myself should something go wrong? or what?
Ok then how about going the way of evetech in terms for buying a machine pre-built?

Wesley
06-08-2012, 04:10 PM
I'd be wary of something like that personally. Looks awesome, but maybe it's a bit too specialised.

There's not much that can't actually be replaced by end users in the X51. There is a custom motherboard but its covered by Dell's three-year warranty, so there's not a lot to worry about if something does go wrong. Everything else in the X51 can be upgraded/replaced: the hard drives, the GPU (standard one, btw), the RAM and even the CPU and heatsink cooler can be replaced with something else that you feel works better. Its a great system and well worth the money if you're looking for something high-end in the ITX department.


In terms of fixing it myself should something go wrong? or what?
Ok then how about going the way of evetech in terms for buying a machine pre-built?

Evetech is a great company but you'll find that they are overpriced because they use bigger and more expensive brand names for their components. Building something yourself is much more rewarding and will save you money with your purchases.

Griff3n
06-08-2012, 04:22 PM
Evetech is a great company but you'll find that they are overpriced because they use bigger and more expensive brand names for their components. Building something yourself is much more rewarding and will save you money with your purchases.

So I could build a better system putting it together myself for the same about of dough? I would love to go ITX but dont you need to have mini parts for your rig then?

Cranky
07-08-2012, 11:44 AM
I dont like ITX.

Not enough space for expansion slots .. Like your network card dies due to thunder storm.. Now you can add a Expansion PCi network card.

Build a small rig ATX board :D

Wesley
07-08-2012, 04:04 PM
So I could build a better system putting it together myself for the same about of dough? I would love to go ITX but dont you need to have mini parts for your rig then?

You'd need to have at least the motherboard and chassis in the ITX class - everything else can be standard size. For example:

Intel DH77EB EB Lake @ R1077 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=6030)

That's the ITX board I'd recommend for starters. Its not too expensive and comes with the H77 chipset, so there's everything you need for a single-GPU, high-end build. You then stick with the stock cooler and figure out which chassis works best for you. Cooler Master's Elite 120 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=6660) is the cheapest by far and has space for very long GPUs (think GTX680 length) but its also best pairing up the case with a modular power supply. In fact, any ITX setup needs a modular PSU because things get really cramped really fast if there's a huge run of cable to move around. There's also more expensive, console-like ones from Lian Li, like the PC-TU200 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1496) and the PC-Q11 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1487).

The biggest caveat about ITX, though, is power requirements. Very often you have to mould the setup around the PSU you'll be using in there and some chassis take out the DVD drive bay to slim things down even further. That's why custom designs like the X51 and even Falcon's Tiki (http://www.nag.co.za/2012/08/03/falcons-tiki-itx-system-gets-its-own-storybook/) work better in the end because the chassis is designed around high-end setups, not minimalistic ones that most ITX chassis try to move to. Its certainly worth some thought if you're looking for something smaller, or a gaming laptop might also be a worthy consideration.

Wesley
07-08-2012, 04:07 PM
System Builder's Guide: August R4000 to R6500


In the months between June and August I had another sequel in my Laptop Buyer's guide series that may or may not have influenced NAGlings to invest in some mobile computing performance for their pleasure. I also had a look at a builders guide specially for AMD fans and concluded that while things at the high-end were easier because the lower price of high-end parts from the red team allowed for more graphical muscle, I decided that CPU performance could be better and games and certain applications would most certainly benefit from it.

With Intel's Ivy Bridge Core i3 and Pentium chips nowhere in sight its still Sandy Bridge that takes a commanding role in the low-end market and we'll see what those options are in a moment. Nvidia also has some work to do in the low-end graphical department and only the GT650 can remedy this - the new GT640 and GT630 are rebrands of previous-generation cards at the same price point and are based on Fermi architecture. AMD, then, is using every ounce of its GCN design to make sure it wins even the bottom line.

Mind you, once the GT650 and the GTX660 and GTX660Ti hit the floor, it will be a whole different ballgame for gamers and those in need of an upgrade. Watch this space.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=26333)

Griff3n
07-08-2012, 04:43 PM
I think I am going to have to stick with a Midi case :/ I would rather have a system that is easy for me to move around in as well as replace things with out having to break an arm to get my hand in there. Plus I am not so sure that the case will look as nice if it is plugged into my 5.1 with 3-4 usbs and the screen cables protruding from the back. I think the cables at the back are going to kill the sleek small look i was trying to achieve.

Wesley
07-08-2012, 05:03 PM
I think I am going to have to stick with a Midi case :/ I would rather have a system that is easy for me to move around in as well as replace things with out having to break an arm to get my hand in there. Plus I am not so sure that the case will look as nice if it is plugged into my 5.1 with 3-4 usbs and the screen cables protruding from the back. I think the cables at the back are going to kill the sleek small look i was trying to achieve.

Yeah, I'm waiting until I can get everything set up with a much cleaner look as well. That's why I'm waiting and saving up for a possible ITX build with a motherboard that supports Thunderbolt and putting that together with a wireless keyboard and mouse.

Griff3n
07-08-2012, 06:15 PM
Yeah, I'm waiting until I can get everything set up with a much cleaner look as well. That's why I'm waiting and saving up for a possible ITX build with a motherboard that supports Thunderbolt and putting that together with a wireless keyboard and mouse.

I will probably get a new graphics card tho so that when I get a new 23" screen I am not going to have any issues.

Toxicnitr8
08-08-2012, 12:39 PM
hey guys , so my new pc has 2.5 dock thingy , its a cm storm trooper hwen would i ever use this ??

Wesley
08-08-2012, 12:41 PM
hey guys , so my new pc has 2.5 dock thingy , its a cm storm trooper hwen would i ever use this ??

It becomes really useful, for example, if you fix a lot of laptops or external 2.5" drives and don't want to mess with those more expensive dedicated docks. Also makes for a great backup solution if you have a case with the same capabilities both at home and work. Use it, don't use it.

Toxxyc
08-08-2012, 12:51 PM
I've had trouble with the hot-swap 2.5" dock on my case before, so I don't really like them. I plugged it in to test it, used a simple 2.5" HDD and it wouldn't read the drive. Got a USB enclosure for the drive and issues solved! Take note it was an older drive though.

.exe
08-08-2012, 01:16 PM
hey guys , so my new pc has 2.5 dock thingy , its a cm storm trooper hwen would i ever use this ??

Cool case! I'm waiting for the Storm Stryker at the end of the month. (Can't do without the side window:))

.exe
08-08-2012, 01:25 PM
Does anyone know if there is a 4-pin to 3-pin converter out there? The reason I ask is that the 4-pin connector on my board packed in a few days ago, and all my fans are 4-pin. I have a 3-pin connector on my board though, so I guess I could just buy a 3-pin case fan, but it seems a bit of a waste of money if I can get a converter instead.

Wesley
08-08-2012, 01:37 PM
Usually you can use a three-pin connector on a 4-pin connector and vice versa, so long as you don't plug in the cable responsible for the voltage regulation, as fans that have four cables are PWM one, and have a variable rotation speed.

.exe
08-08-2012, 03:00 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'll give that a shot.

Wesley
15-08-2012, 08:51 AM
System Builders Guide: August R8500 to R11,000


So here we are, another month and another episode in the System Builders guide. I hope these are as useful to you as they are to me, because keeping track of how much people expect to pay or charge for technology these days helps me figure out how much something is actually worth from a price/performance standpoint. Today we're theoretically shopping around for a new tower in the R8500 and R11,000 ranges and I'm hoping that there's a few bargains to be found here. At this price point, its the starting line for performance-focused buyers who don't necessarily have to consider the price of hardware, only that it gives them the performance they're paying for. Lets see what's in store for you, then.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=26568)

Ranger_Dan
15-08-2012, 01:10 PM
Hey Wesley, great write-up as always, I look forward to your system builder guides :) A quick question, I noticed all components are from Rebel-tech, is this because they offer the best prices? Or are you constrained to use them as a result of sponsorship etc? I'm looking to build me a new system next year, probably using one of your guides as, well, a guide lol and if they are the most competitive it would be valuable to know when shopping around.
Thanks!

Wesley
15-08-2012, 01:17 PM
I use Rebeltech as a reference because, between them and Ikonicit.co.za, they have the largest selection of components that are regularly in stock. This used to be Take2 and Prophecy years ago, but both those players have become overpriced (Takealot) or obscure and forgotten (Prophecy). Its difficult referencing things from price engines because its a lot of work to keep track of - Tom's Hardware has two guys that only do their Builder's guides in between doing the weekly deals because keeping up with price engines is time-consuming.

While Rebeltech might be the most comprehensive, they're not always the cheapest retailer, so it pays to take my list and check around for the best prices before you make your purchase. If you're lucky, you might even have a friend with an account at a distributor, and could source parts that way. My guides are just reference for the rest of us, but you can always just buy everything from one place. Makes things easier when you try to remember what part came from where.

Ranger_Dan
15-08-2012, 01:23 PM
Awesome, thanks. I guess, as you mentioned, it helps to know what people expect to pay for a certain level of performance. Appreciate the input!

.exe
15-08-2012, 03:58 PM
Thank you for the guide, it'll be useful to me since I'm planning a few upgrades in the near future. I'll read it when I get in tonight.

Are Prophecy really obscure and forgotten? I'm just asking because I've bought quite a bit from them in the last two years or so, and it's usually between them, Sybaritic and Landmark as to where I get my stuff.
That said, I've recently registered at Rebeltech and Titan-Ice as well. The more the merrier I guess.

Wesley
15-08-2012, 04:26 PM
Are Prophecy really obscure and forgotten?

I find that they list everything under the sun, but its always out of stock no matter what day you go in. Their beta section is also a terrible idea, since they sometimes leave entries for stock in there and don't move them over, or its the wrong price, or its similarly listed as out of stock.

Takealot is a mess though. God, trying to find anything not component-related is a tough mission because its not properly sorted! You have to search for everything to find peripherals like mice and keyboards or software. When Take2 was bought out I announced that I wasn't going to use them anymore because I knew how crap things would get. And they're even worse with stock listings - sometimes entire pages are filled with entries for hardware they don't have stock of.

.exe
15-08-2012, 05:47 PM
Jeez, that Gigabyte board is sweet. I had no idea it was that good an overclocker, and that's not a lot of money for a high-end board at all. Man, I wish I hadn't read that article. (Joke.)

Just a quick question, if you don't mind: How does one tell if a board overclocks well, or when it's the bottleneck when overclocking? I ask because I could not get my 2500k up to 5ghz without using enormous voltage, and even then it wasn't stable, and I'm not sure whether it was because of the chip or the board. (My board is a Gigabyte P-67 UD3)
(I'm not a hardcore overclocker...more of a casual, now-and-then kind of guy, so sorry for pestering you with what must seem like idiotic questions.)

Wesley
15-08-2012, 06:53 PM
If Neo ever checks out this part of the thread he'll be able to answer more intimately, but it's actually a luck of the draw thing. Every single Core i5 2500K is able to break the 4Ghz barrier but 5Ghz is dependent on the quality of the chip you have as well as power delivery and motherboard design.

If you take the various versions of the P67-UD3 and compare them (the UD3 (http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3698#ov), the UD3R (http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3697#ov) and the UD3P (http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3696#ov)), you'll see why your chip requires so much voltage. Around the socket area are a few black chips arranged in a L-shape - those are Voltage Regulation Modules (VRMs) that sit underneath heatsinks attached to the board. VRMs are responsible for regulating power delivery and voltages to the CPU and the more you have, the more stable your overclocks are, provided your CPU isn't a faulty one.

It benefits not only overclocking, but over-and-undervolting too. Having more stable power delivery keeps the chip operating in conditions closer to what Intel has in their own labs so that everything works. So if your board has a better VRM setup, the better chance your 5Ghz overclock will end up being stable. If you can't get it up to 5Ghz, maybe settle for 4.5Ghz on air cooling.

.exe
15-08-2012, 08:02 PM
Very interesting, thanks. 4.5 is easy enough, and I can get 4.8 at a stretch, but that's about it, on air. (Stable I mean.)

Toxxyc
15-08-2012, 11:08 PM
Install an additional fan on a separate speed controller. You'll have more cooling power so you'll probably be able to hit stability at that 4.8GHz of yours. And it's cheap, superb quality fans cost you about R100 these days.

.exe
16-08-2012, 02:03 PM
Install an additional fan on a separate speed controller. You'll have more cooling power so you'll probably be able to hit stability at that 4.8GHz of yours. And it's cheap, superb quality fans cost you about R100 these days.

Well, that would be nice, but for some reason my one 4-pin header has given up the ghost, and believe it or not so has the one and only 3-pin header on my board. Friggin, sucks. lol. (And yes, the warranty expired about two months ago. Eish.) So not only do I not have any spare fans, I don't have any spare headers either.

I'm going to bypass the problem altogether by getting an H100. The cooler was in my upgrade plans last year, but the 212 which I got as an interim cooler gave such good results (for what it is) that I gave up on the H100, which is pretty pricey.
I guess I could get a Y splitter cable and run an extra fan off that, but I've long coveted that H100 and I guess this has given me the perfect excuse to finally get one.

Toxxyc
17-08-2012, 07:05 AM
That's not a bad idea. The H100 is a pretty large cooling system, so first you need to ensure that it will fit your case and then you need to reconsider if you think it's worth the money. You may be able to get away, cheaper and more convenient, with a smaller watercooling system instead. Think H60 or H70, save yourself a few hundred bucks.

.exe
17-08-2012, 12:37 PM
I don't think the H100 is worth the money. If I was wise, which I'm not, I'd just stick with the 212+ as it's a very decent little cooler for the money.
But I don't know if this ever happens to you, but now and then a piece of hardware comes along that for some reason just seems made for you? It's like it's screaming "buy me, buy me!" and it just feels like a perfect fit. Well, that's the H100 for me. I just fell in love with the damn contraption the minute I saw it, and for a year I've been ignoring it's desperate cries for attention.

It's not a decision based on any rationale, not at all. It's stupid. It's no better than some cheaper coolers. But damn...just something about it. I'm being a serious geek now, aren't I?

Toxxyc
20-08-2012, 10:32 AM
Not really, no. You're busy making a mistake, yes, but not so much a geek. Take a second and reconsider what you can buy with that extra few bucks. Maybe you can buy that keyboard and mouse you've been looking at, but is just outside your R800/R500 price range...? ;)

.exe
20-08-2012, 01:31 PM
Not really, no. You're busy making a mistake, yes, but not so much a geek. Take a second and reconsider what you can buy with that extra few bucks. Maybe you can buy that keyboard and mouse you've been looking at, but is just outside your R800/R500 price range...? ;)

Too late, she cried. The cooler has already arrived. :)

Toxxyc
20-08-2012, 01:50 PM
Man. Why can't I have one as well? :<

Wesley
20-08-2012, 02:03 PM
Man. Why can't I have one as well? :<

Because you gave control of your credit card to your girlfriend!

.exe
20-08-2012, 02:06 PM
Lol. That probably wasn't the best idea.

Wesley
21-08-2012, 12:34 PM
System Builder's Guide: August R13,000 to R18,000


Today we're back into the high-end of the desktop component market looking at options for R13,000 and R18,000. These are the commonly asked-about price points because according to NAG's recent survey, most people have in the region of R10,000 to spend on computer components every year. If you're keen for a new desktop this month, take a look inside to see what's cooking! A surprise awaits for you...

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=26854)

.exe
21-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the article. :)

Regarding a tri-Sli 660ti v 690 setup, I just wonder about a few things:

First, you'll need a board that supports tri-Sli, whereas a 690 requres only a board with one PCIE slot. Surely there would be a considerable price premium between the two boards, making the two setups not all that much different, from a price perspective?

Second, I wonder at what point aesthetics and prestige come into it. The 690 is a very special card, not only in terms of performance, but also it's construction, looks and packaging. I know it's not a limited edition or anything like that, but still. The 660ti's are great and all, but they're just regular cards really. The speed is fine and well, but if a buyer has that sort of means, then I'm thinking that the buying decision comes down to more than just raw performance.

Third, I haven't done the math, but I think a tri-Sli 660ti setup would have more power draw, noise and also heat output than a single 690.
But yeah, the tri-Sli setup is also flexible in that one could add a second or third card as time goes by, instead of being hit with a major expense all in one go.
Overall though, I'd still pay a bit extra for that 690, provided I'm not hit with microstutter.

...If only I had the means to make either solution a reality.

Toxxyc
21-08-2012, 02:47 PM
No chance that I'd pick a 690 over a multi-card setup comprising of a set of 660Ti's. Even two 660Ti's in SLI would provide you with more than enough power to game maxed out for a few years, and then after all that time you can invest in a third card. Also, if you have the money for a three-card SLI setup, the price on a mobo supporting the setup shouldn't be bothering you. PSU might be a bigger issue, as you'll need 6x6 pin PCI-E power connectors, and they're only on the high-end PSU's which aren't highly favoured on our shores. Also, a case for the three to allow for decent cooling would be pricey, you'll be looking at things with decent airflow like the Antec 1200, which isn't a cheap case either. But yeah. Flash factor, I guess. A triple-card setup always has and always will look AWESOME.

Wesley
21-08-2012, 03:16 PM
First, you'll need a board that supports tri-Sli, whereas a 690 requres only a board with one PCIE slot. Surely there would be a considerable price premium between the two boards, making the two setups not all that much different, from a price perspective?

Well sure, if you have R12,000-odd to drop on a GTX690 right now, its the better solution. But its more to do with the stuttering issues which is why triple SLI would be preferable. Most mid-range motherboards do provide enough PCI-Express slots and if one was considering a tri-SLI rig then the automatic choice would be an X79 board with a LGA2011-compatible chip.

If you're running a GTX690 you're only going to be doing so with a Core i7-3770 and a high-end Z77 board for overclocking and eliminating bottlenecks. Platform-wise they share the same costs, but three GTX660 Ti cards, with reference coolers, fetch about R3300 each - that's R9900, easily over R2000 cheaper than most GTX690 variants.


Second, I wonder at what point aesthetics and prestige come into it. The 690 is a very special card, not only in terms of performance, but also it's construction, looks and packaging. I know it's not a limited edition or anything like that, but still. The 660ti's are great and all, but they're just regular cards really. The speed is fine and well, but if a buyer has that sort of means, then I'm thinking that the buying decision comes down to more than just raw performance.

True, looks are a great concern for some, but nothing beats seeing three graphics cards shoved into the same case, working in tandem. There are also incredibly cool heatsink and fan designs out there, so looks-wise I consider them equal. Or really, so long as the job gets done well and quietly, I don't mind what they look like.


Third, I haven't done the math, but I think a tri-Sli 660ti setup would have more power draw, noise and also heat output than a single 690.

If you pick your cards right and have at least one 120mm fan blowing air in their direction, there won't be much more heat issues, especially if the coolers are efficient. At least the fans on these puppies are single-blower types, and not like the GTX690 which exhausts air to both sides of the GPU, front and back. Noise-wise tri-SLI shouldn't be that much louder, again so long as you've chosen your card and cooler correctly.

As for power consumption, one GTX690 has a TDP of 300W. One boosted GTX660 Ti should hover around 160W, same as my HD6870. Two in SLI falls behind the GTX690 with a combined TDP of 320W and lagging behind in performance by an average of 15%, but with roughly a 50% price difference. Adding another lands up at 470W, equal performance and a 15% lower price tag. Its higher, but at least it will be more efficient than the promised HD7990, which should be around 500W.

.exe
21-08-2012, 03:51 PM
Interesting reading guys, cheers.

.exe
21-08-2012, 06:45 PM
What's up with that 7990 anyway? Does it really need 3x6-pin connectors? I had a look at the card online (no doubt a reference design) and it's without a doubt one of the most hideous cards I've ever seen, and one of the most...well, plain crazy. I think AMD are hell bent on beating the 690 in the performance stakes, by the looks of it.

By the way guys, about Sli...I cannot afford a tri-sli setup, no matter the benefits. I'd need to change my PSU and board, and then also somehow afford three cards. I just can't.

But, Sli may be a feasible option down the line. Now I know Xfire/Sli setups in the past have suffered badly with microsttuter, at least for a fair amount of users. I've been digging around online, and it does seem that the newer 6xxx series cards seem to suffer less from it.
My question is simple: would you recommend a Sli setup? Does Sli require constant driver management, in so far as profiles for games etc. are concerned?
Or would it be wiser simply to go with a beefy single card solution?

(I guess this could/should have been asked in the upgrade help thread, but I'm asking hypothetically.)

Wesley
21-08-2012, 08:03 PM
I normally advocate using a single GPU for any rig, but there are special circumstances where running two or three cards in tandem makes more sense, like the GTX660 Ti and GTX690 debate. Single cards have less problems, don't have to wait for SLI/Xfire profiles for games and you don't have to play games with very poor optimisation in the drivers.

Its all down to, in the end, your need for extra power and speed, and whether the config fits inside your budget. Single cards have less hassles, two in tandem is pure bliss when its working properly.

.exe
22-08-2012, 12:29 AM
I've always followed my instincts, and up until now I've always gone for a single card solution. I'd love to try an Sli setup at some point, but there are too many 'if's' and 'but's' for me, however good the benchmark results look on paper. Eh, I think I'll try to repress the urge to go the Sli route.

To come back to what we were discussing on the previous page about vendors, I was highly irritated last week with a certain vendor (won't name names) because an item's status that I had been watching, had changed from 'out of stock' to 'available.' I was really excited by this, because every other vendor didn't have the item (a chassis) in stock.
So, I place the order and get confirmation and all that. The next day I see that the status of my order has changed, so I read the mail and see that the order has been put on back order since there is no stock! Gah!

I probably should have phoned to confirm, but when I saw the status change on the website, I think I was entitled to believe that the info was correct. Lesson learned for next time.

Toxxyc
22-08-2012, 07:23 AM
Interesting reading guys, cheers.

Why? I was having fun... Sure I don't know nearly as much as Wes, but I enjoy the discussions... :/


I was highly irritated last week with a certain vendor (won't name names)

Wouldn't happen to be Prophecy or TAKEALOT, would it? I've had this happen at both of them to me before. No issue, they usually are good at handling their issues, specially Prophecy.

.exe
22-08-2012, 11:11 AM
Why? I was having fun... Sure I don't know nearly as much as Wes, but I enjoy the discussions... :/



Wouldn't happen to be Prophecy or TAKEALOT, would it? I've had this happen at both of them to me before. No issue, they usually are good at handling their issues, specially Prophecy.

Wasn't either of those, although the same thing has happened to me at both those places. Regarding the discussion, I was enjoying it as well, but both you and Wesley made some interesting points that I hadn't considered. I didn't really think there was much to add, on my side.

Got some NZXT lighting the other day...quite a funky setup. Instead of the old ccfl tubes, these are led's fitted to sleeved wires, allowing for a much more flexible installation. Unfortunately, I'm still awaiting my chassis, so I haven't actually installed it yet, but I tried it out very loosely on my existing case, and I think it's going to look quite good.
Anyone with a tower chassis definitely needs to look at the 2m option though; I thought it would be too long, but I'm wondering now if it's long enough.
It does come with three adjustable levels of brighness, but although there is a difference, it's not a radical difference from low to medium to high. I think most will just leave it on the high setting. Maybe the led's need to 'warm up' to full brightness, like the ccfl tubes did, not sure.

http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/store/nzxt-sleeved-blue-p-6811.html

Toxxyc
22-08-2012, 11:51 AM
Maybe the led's need to 'warm up' to full brightness, like the ccfl tubes did, not sure.

Nope. LED's run cool, they don't have warm up times or something. That's why they are so pretty! :D

Anyway, I happened to install two LED lamps in my car yesterday as the one side's little lamp popped. They're not as sharp as I'd hoped them to be. Bit disappointed, paid R50 apiece. :/

tarisma
22-08-2012, 12:12 PM
Are you sure LED's dont take a while to "warm up" my desk lamp is an LED and it seems to get brighter over a period of time, maybe its just my eyes adjust or something.

Toxxyc
22-08-2012, 12:32 PM
It's not supposed to. It can be that the resistors in the desk lamp are starting to go, meaning higher voltages to the LED's leading to higher light output, but it's definitely not the way they are supposed to act.

tarisma
22-08-2012, 01:04 PM
mmm its new. o well future me will worry about it if it blows. on another topic its nearly the end of the month which means potential upgrade time!

.exe
22-08-2012, 01:13 PM
Anyway, I happened to install two LED lamps in my car yesterday as the one side's little lamp popped. They're not as sharp as I'd hoped them to be. Bit disappointed, paid R50 apiece. :/

Was that from the agents?


mmm its new. o well future me will worry about it if it blows. on another topic its nearly the end of the month which means potential upgrade time!

Yeah, baby! I really shouldn't leave my upgrade cycles for so long (generally about 3 years between upgrades, depending) because it's always quite a shock as to how fast technology moves, and then I have to sit and spend hours and hours reading up, trying to get up to speed on the newer tech.
At the moment, it's a new chassis, PSU, graphics card (a bit later on) and a new monitor (much later on.) Also probably a new mouse and keyboard as well. Phew!

Toxxyc
22-08-2012, 01:45 PM
Was that from the agents?

No way. Agents are hellishly expensive, specially for Proton parts. Anyway, I bought from a little store near my work. They actually do sound systems and the works. Not going to make a fuss though, the new headlights I bought works better than I expected again.

.exe
22-08-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah, I thought it couldn't be from the agents, hehe. Rip-off merchants.

tarisma
22-08-2012, 02:19 PM
Was that from the agents?



Yeah, baby! I really shouldn't leave my upgrade cycles for so long (generally about 3 years between upgrades, depending) because it's always quite a shock as to how fast technology moves, and then I have to sit and spend hours and hours reading up, trying to get up to speed on the newer tech.
At the moment, it's a new chassis, PSU, graphics card (a bit later on) and a new monitor (much later on.) Also probably a new mouse and keyboard as well. Phew!

my last one was 5 years ago, I have really dropped the ball. But alas being a student there were more important things like, alcohol.

.exe
22-08-2012, 02:23 PM
I can dig that. ;)

RayRay
23-08-2012, 12:25 PM
Hey guys,

What is, in your opinion, a decent motherboard with PCI-E slots and i7 support? Looking to upgrade my tower. I currently have an Asus P5G41T-M LX3, so upgrading any other component is very limited, hence I require a motherboard upgrade.

I see in Weasel's article, the ASROCK Z77 PRO4-M seems pretty awesome. I currently have an AMD R7770, but it's by no chance running at it's full potential due to my archaic processor.

Also, how are Rebel Tech? If I do buy, they seem to be a pretty decent store, I also don't live too far from their HQ so picking up any purchases would be relatively simple.

.exe
23-08-2012, 12:36 PM
Are you upgrading your cpu as well? If not, make dead certain your cpu socket is compatible with the board.

RayRay
23-08-2012, 12:51 PM
Hi .exe,

Yes, I most definitely am. The ASROCK Z77 PRO4-M is compatible with the i7 Ivy Bridge I am planning on purchasing.

.exe
23-08-2012, 12:56 PM
I'm not terribly familiar with Ivy Bridge, but I have to ask you why an i7? Isn't an i5 enough? (Unless you're going to be running heavily threaded apps.)
I've got a 2500k, and that little thing is a beaut. I did look at a 2600k, but there was next to no benefit, from a gaming perspective, from an i5.

Toxxyc
23-08-2012, 12:58 PM
I'm not terribly familiar with Ivy Bridge, but I have to ask you why an i7? Isn't an i5 enough? (Unless you're going to be running heavily threaded apps.)
I've got a 2500k, and that little thing is a beut. I did look at a 2600k, but there was next to no benefit, from a gaming perspective, from an i5.

This.

i7 is a monster. Like buying a Ferrari for a trip to the shops.

Wesley
23-08-2012, 12:59 PM
I'm not terribly familiar with Ivy Bridge, but I have to ask you why an i7? Isn't an i5 enough? (Unless you're going to be running heavily threaded apps.)

Meh, if he has the money I don't think an i7 is a bad buy. Core i5 3550K would be a cheaper buy with some extra cash to spare for something like a SSD, but at the end of the day it's his money.

RayRay, Rebeltech's got a solid reputation and picking up from their HQ means that there's no waiting for it in the mail for you. Go get your stuff already ;-)

RayRay
23-08-2012, 01:49 PM
I was actually just about to ask what the difference is between an i5 and i7, so thanks! I'm busy looking into the i5 at the moment, I like the idea of having a little extra cash to maybe buy a new case, which leads to my next question:

With regards to buying a case, how does one distinguish between cases that will fit your components and those that won't?

Toxxyc
23-08-2012, 02:04 PM
Usually it only depends on your motherboard and graphics card, though it's very safe to assume that 95% of towers marked as "mid size tower" will fit all components you're likely to buy. If you're looking into card like a GTX690 or something with a sick cooler, or an oversized motherboard (like E-ATX form factors or whatnot) you'll be looking at full-size chassis, but otherwise a standard medium-rated chassis will be perfect.

RayRay
23-08-2012, 02:08 PM
Thanks Toxxyc.

Sweet, looks like I just need to wait until month's end and I'm sorted ^_^ Thanks for the help.

Toxxyc
23-08-2012, 02:09 PM
You're welcome. If you want final clearance just post the parts you're looking at here and we can take a look if it will fit or not. It'll be a pleasure! :)

RayRay
23-08-2012, 02:16 PM
Well, I'm sitting on two components from Wesley's article, the INTEL CORE I5 3570K and ASROCK Z77 PRO4-M.

Then from my old system I will put in my AMD R7770.

I currently also have a 500W PSU that I believe is sufficient.

Then just need to browse for a shiny case and that's it.

Toxxyc
23-08-2012, 02:19 PM
Oh no with that board and GPU you'll be fine. Any mid-size chassis will do, as they all fit the standard ATX motherboards. Enjoy!

RayRay
23-08-2012, 02:21 PM
Hazzah! Looking forward to it :) Thanks again!

.exe
23-08-2012, 02:25 PM
Ain't shopping fun? :)

tarisma
23-08-2012, 03:00 PM
ooo try get a case with native USB 3.0 support. The corsair ones are nice

Wesley
23-08-2012, 03:36 PM
ooo try get a case with native USB 3.0 support. The corsair ones are nice

Antec are also producing some nice mid-range options with front USB 3.0 ports.

RayRay
23-08-2012, 07:35 PM
That isn't something I considered O_o Good point!

.exe
23-08-2012, 07:42 PM
I've always liked this case, although I've never owned one. (Fractal R3.) I don't think the R4 is on our shores yet, or if it is, it's not easy to find.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/smglam.jpg

tarisma
24-08-2012, 12:00 PM
mmm ok end of the month time!!! YAY new parts! Ok i have been given a budget of R4000-R4500, what to do!
Basically help! I am looking at getting parts from rebeltech or I can get them directly through Mustec.

Ok here is what I am thinking of
Windows 7:http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=38&products_id=2349
MOBO: http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=6561
CPU: http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6690
RAM:http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7171

Wesley
24-08-2012, 01:48 PM
Everything else is fine, though I'd change the motherboard to GIGABYTE's GA-B75M-D3H (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5762). Its cheaper, retains all the benefits of the H77 chipset including Multi-GPU support and USB 3.0 front panel ports and Intel's RST driver and the warranty is handled by Rectron, who usually do things right.

Have you given Windows 8 a try yet?

tarisma
24-08-2012, 01:57 PM
Everything else is fine, though I'd change the motherboard to GIGABYTE's GA-B75M-D3H (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5762). Its cheaper, retains all the benefits of the H77 chipset including Multi-GPU support and USB 3.0 front panel ports and Intel's RST driver and the warranty is handled by Rectron, who usually do things right.

Have you given Windows 8 a try yet?
Great suggestion then I can bump it processor up to the http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6568
Thanks, What is the difference between H77 and B75M I havnt been able to find anything solid on it.
Just got the reply from MUSTEC they are more expensive it seems :(
I am vary wary of new windows OS's I made the unfortunate jump from XP to Vista to XP.

O ya i will do this update and then in a month or 2 ill get a new graphics card to replace my 8800GT(it will work in the Gigabyte B75M correct?)

Wesley
24-08-2012, 02:06 PM
Great suggestion then I can bump it processor up to the http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6568
Thanks, What is the difference between H77 and B75M I havnt been able to find anything solid on it.
Just got the reply from MUSTEC they are more expensive it seems :(
I am vary wary of new windows OS's I made the unfortunate jump from XP to Vista to XP.

Intel's H77 supports the use of the on-die GPU, has Crossfire support, USB 3.0 natively and is more skewed towards entertainment desktops because it lacks a lot of business-orientated features. B75 drops the on-die GPU support but retains Multi-GPU and USB 3.0, as well as featuring more PCI slots, Intel's vPro business management software, a lot of data security and recovery methods and often more stable hardware designs because they're for business use. They're not made for overclocking but rather for reliability, just like Intel-branded boards.

Some of the differences also run a bit deeper than that. H77 boards support the PCI-E 3.0 standard on both PCI-E slots at 8 lanes each, whereas B75 boards normally support one full-size PCI-E 3.0 16x slot and the other runs at PCI-E 2.0 4x. In reality you're unlikely to run Crossfire on a B75-based board, but the option is there in future. You'd get reduced performance from the second card, though, so its not the best way forward.

I'd also recommend getting a copy of Windows 8's Release Preview (not the RTM version) and give that a shot for a while before you buy and install 7. You may find that you like it and appreciate the better hardware support and lower resource consumption. If you're old-school though, nothing is better than Windows 7's desktop.

tarisma
24-08-2012, 02:12 PM
Ok thanks, Ya I most likely will never overclock or run crossfire. At least not in the near future. I was gonna get the graphics card first, But you have heavily confused me with your writeup on the 660ti.

So will the 8800gt work in the PCI 3.0 16x slot or should I put it in the 2.0 4x?

Wesley
24-08-2012, 02:15 PM
Ok thanks, Ya I most likely will never overclock or run crossfire. At least not in the near future. I was gonna get the graphics card first, But you have heavily confused me with your writeup on the 660ti.

So will the 8800gt work in the PCI 3.0 16x slot or should I put it in the 2.0 4x?

You can put it in the PCI-E 3.0 slot and it will work just fine :-) What confused you about my writeup?

tarisma
24-08-2012, 02:21 PM
Well I was set on the 7850 but my my your write up about the 660toi showed me the way haha. my other option is to get the 660ti this month and the windows 7 32/64bit. Which is the better option?

This is my current setup + my new Silverstone T60 strider
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: G31MX-S2
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 1244MB used, 2694MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8800 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611&SUBSYS_80101462&REV_A2
Display Memory: 512.0 MB

Wesley
24-08-2012, 02:31 PM
You're going to be heavily bottlenecked one way or another, especially pairing the GTX660 Ti to that Core 2 Duo. Get the CPU/MOBO combo, Ivy Bridge quad-cores will remain useful for the next two or so years. Sell off the 8800GT for about R500 when you do the upgrade, it gets beaten by a GT640 anyway.

tarisma
24-08-2012, 02:34 PM
Ya i thought as much. I will put through the order now. Thanks for all your continued help btw, and I will let you know how the upgrade goes.

.exe
30-08-2012, 09:30 AM
My CM Storm Stryker arrived yesterday, but I dunno, I'm not terribly impressed with it to be honest. In some ways it's nice, but compared to my current chassis (HAF 932) it in some ways feels like a downgrade. Not what you'd expect after plopping down 2K on a case.
The biggest problem is the roof of the case, which is a mess. Looks good, and the carry handle is a nice touch, but my God this things is going to be a dust magnet. There are great big gaping holes around the handle area where dust is literally just going to fall into the case, and the mesh along the sides and back of the roof is there for show only...no chance of them stopping dust getting in. The roof, which is detachable, also feels cheap. The paint job is great though.
Also, my mesh panel that slides out of the roof actually didn't even get meshed, it's just the frame. Obviously an eff-up at the factory.

The handle itself, which is pop rivetted into the chassis, is a problem if you want to run fans in a push-pull configuration in the roof of the case, such as would be the case if you owned an H100. The handle impedes one of the fans in pull configuration, and it seems that unless you break off the rivetts and remove the handle you'd have to run two fans in push and only one fan in pull configuration. I'll check it out again to be clear of that, but that's the way it looks so far. It's a horrible design flaw and I cannot understand how the whole carry handle part could not have been better implemented.
Cooler Master are excellent chassis manufacturers normally, and I feel they could have done much better in this area.

One of the Trooper/Stryker distinctions is the ability to run the fans in the HDD cage in crossflow config, or in a more traditional config by pulling air in from the front of the case. Why they thought running the fans in a crsossflow config would be a good idea to start with is anyone's guess, but that's how it came assembled, and it was something of an annoyance at first to have to switch the cages and fans around to the more traditional configuration.
I'm going to try a little experiment in this area, and if it works, I'll be quite chuffed with myself. But I won't say more at this point for fear of looking like a fool.

One other thing I don't like is the fans, which are white in colour for the Stryker. It's all fine and well having the white fans, but as far as I know Cooler Master don't make any other white fans, so if you want to add more fans at some point, you will have to make do with white fans from a different manufacturer, and there could be an issue of the whites of the fans not being exactly the same. As I'm putting in an H100 in the roof, which comes with black fans, I'm going to have a mix of white and black fans, which to me is retarded. They should have just retained the black fans of the Trooper for purposes of convenience.

I'm still waiting to get a few more bits and pieces before I can assemble the system, and maybe once everything is up and running I will grow to like the chassis, but right now I feel for 2K I could have done better. We'll see.

tarisma
30-08-2012, 09:42 AM
It's all fine and well having the white fans, but as far as I know Cooler Master don't make any other white fans, so if you want to add more fans at some point, you will have to make do with white fans from a different manufacturer, and there could be an issue of the whites of the fans not being exactly the same. As I'm putting in an H100 in the roof, which comes with black fans, I'm going to have a mix of white and black fans, which to me is retarded. They should have just retained the black fans of the Trooper for purposes of convenience.


I take it your not a sharks fan?

Wesley
30-08-2012, 09:49 AM
If I were you dude, I'd return it and look for something better. Maybe a nice Corsair Carbide 500R, an Antec 1100, NZXT Phantom or even something shiny from Lian Li. Cooler Master's lineup isnt as great as it used to be and the company has made some very strange design decisions lately.

.exe
30-08-2012, 01:22 PM
If I were you dude, I'd return it and look for something better. Maybe a nice Corsair Carbide 500R, an Antec 1100, NZXT Phantom or even something shiny from Lian Li. Cooler Master's lineup isnt as great as it used to be and the company has made some very strange design decisions lately.

Yeah, I feel really let down by Cooler Master. I've owned the original Stacker and the HAF 932, and both were really good cases, the Stacker in particular. I've been searching for a suitable up-to-date replacement for that case for forever, and I thought I had finally found it with the Stryker. I'm sorry to say, but the quality of the case seems a step down from the HAF, and it's a major step down from the original Stacker, even though that case is old-fashioned and out of date.

The thing is, is that it wasn't a spur of the moment impulse buy or anything like that. I read a few reviews, watched a few videos, downloaded as many pictures as it seemed necessary, and all looked good. One reviewer in particular that I trust, 'Tiny' Tom Logan from OC3D, gave this case a gold award and in his words, "If I were going to give any case a platinum award, it would be this case."
I don't know if you guys read his reviews, but he is usually pretty fussy (or used to be) about hardware, and I felt if it got his seal of approval, then it must be good. I can't recall any review really having anything bad to say about this case, but to me there are a couple of really obvious flaws that went unmentioned.

I could have asked your opinion Wesley, but cases are a very subjective thing in a way, especially aesthetically. What might appeal to one person won't appeal to another. I love the look of the case, but a lot of the design decisions they took just seem strange, and again, the quality that I remember from Cooler Master just doesn't seem to really be there anymore.

I'll persevere with the case though...I like a bit of a challenge, and maybe I had set my expectations too high. I'll keep you guys informed as I progress, but it won't be anytime soon since I'm quite busy and will probably only be able to take a real stab at putting things together next weekend.

.exe
30-08-2012, 01:25 PM
I take it your not a sharks fan?

Lol, not really, no.

Toxxyc
30-08-2012, 10:31 PM
Corsair Carbide 500R

This. Probably one of the prettiest cases currently on the market.

{cleans up jizz-dribble}

.exe
31-08-2012, 09:52 AM
Corsair cases are really nice (judging from all that has been said about them; I've never owned one) but there has always been something stopping me buying Corsair cases.

For example, the 650D. It'll do pretty much everything you want, but it looks staid and boring to me.
The 800D is a bit long in the tooth (No USB 3 for example) and I've heard the hot swap bays are crap. Also expensive.
The 550D looks to me like Corsair borrowed ideas from the Fractal R3, which is also cheaper and just as good.
The 600T, esecially the white one, is a really killer case. But going from a tower to a mid-tower seems a bit of a downgrade to me. Same for 500R. (Limited room compared to full tower, less USB ports etc.)

So yeah, there has always been a little niggle here or there that has stopped me just short of a Corsair case, and believe me, I've come close many times to buying one. I'll probably end up buying a Corsair chassis at some point in my life (An updated 800D would do nicely) but I'm content to wait.
Besides, I'm growing to like the Stryker now. It really does look 'stryking' in the flesh.

tarisma
31-08-2012, 10:38 AM
but it looks staid and boring to me.

Im completely different I love the minimalistic look of the Corsair cases! But everyone has their own personal taste. The thing I hate most on a case is a side window I personally think they always look crap and cheap!! haha but as I said each to his own hey!

Wesley
31-08-2012, 10:56 AM
The 550D looks to me like Corsair borrowed ideas from the Fractal R3, which is also cheaper and just as good.

And here I was thinking I'm the only one who saw the similarities. Its a huge pity we can't get Fractal chassis in SA...*muses about opening PC shop to sell all this stuff...*

Toxxyc
31-08-2012, 11:17 AM
I've quite liked the minimalist look of the 500R and the other Carbides for some time now. Actually, I've taken to it about 4.71 hours after receiving my Antec DF-30.

.exe
31-08-2012, 11:18 AM
The Fractal R3 is available at Landmark Computers, and it's not very expensive either.

http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/store/fractal-design-define-black-pearl-chassis-p-8066.html

EDIT:

I've just been nosing around. Check this out:

Awesome Fractal cases:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=start&category=2&prod=

Aaaand:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=buy&region=2&category=

http://www.pinnacleafrica.co.za/

...So, why aren't our local retailers bringing these cases in??

.exe
31-08-2012, 11:21 AM
Im completely different I love the minimalistic look of the Corsair cases! But everyone has their own personal taste. The thing I hate most on a case is a side window I personally think they always look crap and cheap!! haha but as I said each to his own hey!

Hehe...it's funny, but I love side window panels. Just goes to show how everyone looks at things differently. :)

Wesley
01-09-2012, 11:35 PM
I'll be updating the first page of this thread that started to give people advice on their purchase decisions for AMD and Intel hardware. While I do a regular System Builder's guide that usually focuses on Intel parts because of their cost and better performance, I will just link to those and do AMD builds on the first page from R4000 all the way to R20,000. I'll update these once a month only to give me time to finish my work elsewhere, but things don't change too much in 30 days anyway.

Over time, I'll link to useful guides that I find all over the internet. I'll be deleting Chev's first few posts because he hasn't logged on in five months and it messes up the system anyway. If you have any friends in need of advice, point them first to the OP of this thread (which, over time, I'll trim down to posts only made in the last year). If anyone has a problem with that, let me know.

Edit: Eh, on second thoughts, I won't do any trimming. 3000+ posts being deleted will probably give the forum a hernia or something. Carry on!

Zoop
02-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Alright, well, it's time to start looking around for new hardware to replace the broken hardware in my PC. The R8000 build looks very feasible to me. Due to the fact that I, at first, just want a working PC again, I'll strike whatever I'll be cutting from the build.


Best Build for R8000: (1080p and ultra settings + max AA, 2560 x 1440 and high settings + 2x AA, multi-monitor + no AA)

AMD FX-4100 @ R1305
ASRock 990FX Extreme3 AM3+ @ R1260
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 4GB @ R197
Sapphire Radeon HD7850 1GB DDR5 @ R2515
OCZ Agility 3 120GB @ R996
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB @ R546
LG GH24NS90 @ R167
Cooler Master Elite 311 @ R321
SilverStone ST60F-ES @ R665

So, basically, I'll only be buying the essentials at first, which is the mobo, the CPU, the RAM and a HDD. I've got a 550watt PSU which I'll replace, but it's not essential immediately. I've also ditched the SSD, because it's not essential and I can get it later. Going to stick to my HD6870 at first as well.

It brings the total to about R3629, which isn't half bad. Would have preferred to get away for under R3000, but eh. Might not have enough time to gather that much before the end of the year, but it's better to shell out a bit more than limit my upgrade possibilities. I'm not definitely going to get this build, but it looks pretty good. Only thing I'm a bit antsy about is the AMD CPU. Never used AMD CPUs before, and the general word on the street seems to be that Intel is a bit better bang for your buck.

Wesley
02-09-2012, 09:15 PM
Better bang for buck, yeah, but it does have its merits. Are you going to be overclocking at all?

Zoop
02-09-2012, 09:20 PM
Nah, I don't overclock at all.

Edit: Thinking back, I've spent close to R7000 on games the last year and a half. Imagine if I'd only saved that money instead. :P or more like D:

Wesley
02-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Nah, I don't overclock at all.

Intel Core i5 3450 @ R1880 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6040)
GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3H @ R837 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5762)
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 4GB @ R197 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7169)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB @ R546 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1273)
Cooler Master K280 USB 3.0 @ R357 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=7561)
Total: R3817

That's the equivalent-price Intel setup, which will be faster. Its a quad-core i5 with a board that doesn't support overclocking but will run an i7 chip if you upgrade in the future (unlikely) and will properly support USB 3.0 and SSDs. To match the Core i5's performance, you'd need to overclock the FX-4100 to at least 4.5GHz to see it draw up in games and benchmarks. If you're looking to skimp a bit more to fit under budget:

Intel Core i3-2120 @ R1202 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=4146)
MSI PH61A-P35 @ R473 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5695)
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 4GB @ R197 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7169)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB @ R546 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1273)
Cooler Master Elite 311 @ R321 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1669)
Total: R2739

That's as low as I'd go gaming-wise. Its a bit confusing, but the cheaper Intel build here matches the more expensive AMD quad-core in most games and apps, sometimes beating it. You still have the option to bump things up all the way to a Core i7 and add in a SSD, just not in use as a cache drive. One thing that does limit the board is the RAM amount, although I think if you upgrade 8GB should easily be enough for another few years.

Zoop
02-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Ooh, that first Intel build looks really nice. It's a bit more expensive, but I might be able to get the cash together by the end of December. I've already got a holiday job lined up for then that pays pretty well, and depending on when my exams end (meaning when I can start working) I might be able to get the entire sum together just from there. It's going to suck going without a gaming PC for so long, but eh. Will just have to shut my eyes very tightly every time a Steam sale comes around. :p

The cheaper build looks fairly decent, but I think it would be better for me to simply go up to quad-core instead of getting dual-core again.

Thanks for all the effort dude!

.exe
02-09-2012, 11:54 PM
I wouldn't waste my time with dual core these days, except if you're using it as an office machine. Quad core is definitely the way to go.

CrashHelmut
03-09-2012, 11:20 AM
The Fractal R3 is available at Landmark Computers, and it's not very expensive either.

http://www.landmarkpc.co.za/store/fractal-design-define-black-pearl-chassis-p-8066.html

EDIT:

I've just been nosing around. Check this out:

Awesome Fractal cases:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=start&category=2&prod=

Aaaand:

http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=buy&region=2&category=

http://www.pinnacleafrica.co.za/

...So, why aren't our local retailers bringing these cases in??
Yeah, it's such a pity the local agents are not importing the Fractal Define Mini into SA. It's almost ideal for what I need for my next build. In fact, the case is the major reason I haven't pulled the trigger on a new PC yet. Looking for something quite specific. It's a compromise, but I'm leaning towards the Antec Mini P180.

Wesley
03-09-2012, 12:05 PM
I see Pinnacle is the registered distributor, that must have been a recent addition because it was previously another Joburg-based company that did it. You're more likely to find Fractal chassis at small-time computer stores than online with that company heading up all the imports.

Wesley
04-09-2012, 09:58 AM
Laptop Buyer’s Guide: September Netbooks to R8000


Welcome back to the Laptop Buyer’s Guide, the show where all your money gets spent and you can’t upgrade your laptop. That’s right, you can’t upgrade them in any meaningful way, much like if you buy a Renault Sandero and expect to bolt a turbo onto it, its just not going to happen. It’ll be quicker, but it won’t turn in any faster. In fact, don’t buy a Sandero. Save up for a Toyota 86, you’ll be a lot happier. Today we’re shopping from the netbook to R8000 price range and we’ll be trudging through Intel Atoms, APUs, touch screens and SSDs. Follow me after the jump.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/2012/09/04/laptop-buyers-guide-september-netbooks-to-r8000/)

.exe
08-09-2012, 06:05 PM
All done.

I had to wait for the PSU and sleeves to arrive, but finally I put them in, together with the H100 cooler and of course, the CM Storm Stryker. I'm quite tired now and I thought I'd just upload this one photo for now. I'm still playing around with the lighting, so maybe I'll only get around to that tomorrow and post some impressions of the case, the PSU and the H100.
I'll try and upload some more piccies as well, but the camera seems to be blurring...have no idea why.

PS-Sorry for the image size...for some reason resizing isn't workng.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2969.jpg

.exe
09-09-2012, 08:32 AM
Good morning gents. :)

A couple more pics...

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2978.jpg

It's really quite a striking chassis in the flesh.


http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2979.jpg

The top panel of the Stryker is very reminiscent of some sort of fighter jet or sports car, particularly towards the back.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2983.jpg

.exe
09-09-2012, 08:38 AM
The bottom panel pulls out to reveal a handy storage box...useful for all sorts of things.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2982.jpg

The I/O panel.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2980.jpg

The carry handle.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2991.jpg

.exe
09-09-2012, 08:42 AM
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2993.jpg


http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2992.jpg

I wanted to get more direct airflow onto the gpu, since the windowed panel obviously doesn't have a fan. I decided to reverse one of the hdd cages and reverse mount the fan, so that the gpu gets much more direct airflow. I could have installed a fan in the bootm of the chassis It has place for 2 x 120mm fans) but I think I like the way I did it better.

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/neal1972/Computer%20stuff/IMG_2989.jpg

.exe
09-09-2012, 09:47 AM
Despite my initial misgivings about the Stryker, I have to say that I have really gotten to appreciate the chassis a lot more, particularly once everything had been installed.

One thing I noticed right away is how light it is for a tower chassis. The side panel doors are much, much lighter in weight than my HAF 932 side panels...at least half the weight. Yet, they're sturdy and don't bend or flex any more than the panels of the old case.
Fully loaded with pretty much the same components, the case is a fair bit lighter than the HAF 932, even though it's very close to the same size. (The Stryker is ever so slightly taller in fact.)

I really like the I/O panel. So many chassis have the USB connectors built one on top of the other, so it's very difficult to use fat flash drives or 3G modems or something that takes up some space due to the proximity of the USB ports to each other. The Stryker lines them up neatly in a row and with a fair margin of space between each USB port, so that's no longer a problem.
The power button is pretty large and feels substantial, and the fan controller is very easy to use. Cues as to your fan speeed come with the different lights that light up, and continually pressing the 'minus' button will eventually yield two audible beeps, letting you know that you're on the lowest fan speed. Similarly, doing the same with the 'plus' button will also yield to audible beeps, telling you the fans are now at maximum speed.
There is not a massive difference in noise levels from lowest to highest, but you can feel the difference quite noticeably if you put your hand next to one of the fans.

The back panel bulges outwards and it's very easy to cable all the bits and pieces at the back without having to squash your back panel back into place afterwards. The windowed panel also bulges outwards so that even the tallest cpu coolers can be fitted easily enough.

The carry handle deserves mention, because it's got a nice, wide grip that is covered with a soft rubber, and the underside of the handle has ribs, making it very comfortable to hold a fully loaded chassis. Your skin never pinches and you don't feel the need to readjust your grip. It's also been nicely incorportated into the overall look of the case, so it doesn't look strange or out of place.

Strangely, the white interior of the chassis gives it a light, airy look and feel. The chassis looks bigger inside than it really is. I resprayed my HAF 932 black on the inside, and it looked quite sinister and it looked smaller on the inside than before. I was a bit skeptical of the white interior at first, but it really looks quite good, especially if most of your components are black, which helps breaks the white.

When I first got the chassis, I was not too impressed with what I perceived to be inferior build quality. But, having had a good sniff around and putting all my components in the case, it's become quite obvious what Cooler Master had in mind here. Basically, this is a case that is great for the guy who likes to LAN a lot, yet who still insists on the functionality that comes with a full tower. It's big enough to take any cooler, motherboard or video card, yet light enough (and has the convenient handle) that makes it quite easy to lug around, at least over fairly short distances. It also has nice little touches like the removeable 'secret' storage box...another nice feature if you LAN a lot, or work on your PC a lot.

Overall, I love this chassis. The looks to me are beautiful; it should have been called to Storm Trooper though, since it definitely invokes images of Star Wars with it's black & white theme and it's sleek overall appearance but oh well...I liked the HAF 932, but the squat, industral, robust look of that chassis was one I accepted rather than loved. The Styrker is much more up my alley personally. The white fans (that also have white LED lighting that can be turned off if needed) actually look very good and although I was thinking of replacing these basically straight away, I've changed my mind. They compliment the chassis very well overall.

As I said a couple of pages back, the main area of criticism for me is the fact the roof is not protected enough against dust, and that's still a valid criticism. The problem can be fixed, but some degree of effort (and money probably) is required to sort the problem out. The carry handle definitely obstructs the push-pull configuration if you've got a radiator in the roof. There is no way around it other than to accept it or to break off the handle for the second 'pull' fan. It's not a worry to me personally since I never intended that config for the H100, but some may be ****ed off about that.
But anyway...

I may as well also touch on the NZXT lighting kit I got for the chassis. The kit is has little LED lights joined together by black sleeved wires, and the intensity of the lights is controlled by an unobtrusive little pcb (with a molex connector) that fits into one of the PCI panels at the back of the chassis.
Basically, you simply clip the kit into place wherever you want in your chassis. I got a blue kit and white kit (both 2m) and although it takes time to map out where you want to run your lights, and it can be a bit tough to reach into small spaces, the flexibility it gives you over the old ccfl tube design can't be mentioned enough.
You can literally go nuts with the kit, placing the LEDs wherever you please. The on/off switch and the little switch for light intensity feel solid and don't feel cheap or plasticky at all, and the lights are bright enough (at maximum) to make a significant difference to your interior.
I'll try to post some pics with the lights on sometime...

The H100 which was also bought for the chassis and it looks good in uniform black and easy to install. I don't think it's as quiet a unit as my old Hyper 212+ though...you can certainly hear the fans even at the lowest settting. I won't even bother with the fans at maximum, unless I want to go deaf. I'm not sure how the Corsair digital link works or even sure what it really does, but I presume it's software that allows one to control fan speed or something?
At the moment, to change fan speed on the H100 is a royal pain, requiring the removal of the front panel to get access to the fan controller. But as I said, unless you want to go deaf or are hell-bent on making your CPU as cool as possible or going for a big overclock, there will never be a need to use anything other the the lowest fan speed for this cooler.
But yeah, the H sereis is gaining a lot of popularity with enthusiasts and it's not hard to see why. It doesn't have the size or bulk of a big air cooler, there are no issues with RAM heatsinks, and it looks really good. Plus, one can claim with a little but of credibility at least, to having a 'water cooled' rig. (Okay, okay not really, but still.)

Toxxyc
10-09-2012, 07:48 AM
The bottom panel pulls out to reveal a handy storage box...useful for all sorts of things.

Everybody visiting .exe's house, check his tower for his drug stash.

.exe
10-09-2012, 05:48 PM
Make that a porn stash. Good enough? :)

Wesley
10-09-2012, 05:51 PM
Make that a porn stash. Good enough? :)

Your ambitions clearly aren't high enough :-P I'd put some victory cigars in there.

.exe
10-09-2012, 10:52 PM
Well, maybe some drugs, porn and cigars then...it'll be fun.

Toxxyc
11-09-2012, 06:55 AM
Well, maybe some drugs, porn and cigars then...it'll be fun.

With that combination, you'd better have some condoms in there as well. Just wrap the cigars nicely and keep them from heat, or they'll go bad.

:P

Wesley
11-09-2012, 02:30 PM
Laptop Buyer's Guide: September R10, 000 to R13, 000


Welcome back to the Laptop Buyer’s Guide, the show where all your money gets spent and you can only overclock the GPU. I don't have any witty things to add onto that, but today we're into the high performance segment, so the hardware should be enough to keep you happy as a pig in mud. Today we’re shopping from the R10, 000 to R13, 000 price range and we’ll be trudging through Ultrabooks, discrete graphics cards and SSDs. Follow me after the jump.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=27650)

Mythor
17-09-2012, 05:14 PM
If you're looking to skimp a bit more to fit under budget:

Intel Core i3-2120 @ R1202 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=4146)
MSI PH61A-P35 @ R473 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5695)
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 4GB @ R197 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7169)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB @ R546 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1273)
Cooler Master Elite 311 @ R321 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1669)
Total: R2739

That's as low as I'd go gaming-wise. Its a bit confusing, but the cheaper Intel build here matches the more expensive AMD quad-core in most games and apps, sometimes beating it. You still have the option to bump things up all the way to a Core i7 and add in a SSD, just not in use as a cache drive. One thing that does limit the board is the RAM amount, although I think if you upgrade 8GB should easily be enough for another few years.

Greetings All

New to the forum and not much of a gamer myself. I do, however, have two small kids (daughter is 5 and son is 3) who are already bugging me for PC games. I then found that even simple games such as Disney's Cars will not run on my wife's home office PC (not letting them near my own one!!). As I never took gaming into consideration when buying the desktops, the specs are simply not up to scratch. So I am looking for a budget system which will keep the kids happy for some time. What would you advise? I am not worried about the looks of the thing, so no fancy case necessary. Nor are the kids likely to be getting into any high end graphics games at this stage. What would you advise I put together for them?

Wesley
17-09-2012, 07:12 PM
Greetings All

New to the forum and not much of a gamer myself. I do, however, have two small kids (daughter is 5 and son is 3) who are already bugging me for PC games. I then found that even simple games such as Disney's Cars will not run on my wife's home office PC (not letting them near my own one!!). As I never took gaming into consideration when buying the desktops, the specs are simply not up to scratch. So I am looking for a budget system which will keep the kids happy for some time. What would you advise? I am not worried about the looks of the thing, so no fancy case necessary. Nor are the kids likely to be getting into any high end graphics games at this stage. What would you advise I put together for them?

Welcome to the forum Mythor. All you'd really have to do to the system you've quoted is add in a graphics card and you're set. You could also look at upgrading one of the desktops, sometimes that ends up being the cheaper option. Knowing the kinds of games your kids will play though, perhaps this is better suited:

Intel Celeron G540 @ R401 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=4135)
ECS H61H2-M12 @ R454 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5867)
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 4GB @ R197 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7169)
Sapphire Radeon HD6670 1GB GDDR3 @ R752 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=857)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB @ R591 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1272)
LG GH24NS90 @ R166 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=6521)
Cooler Master GX 400W @ R507 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1791)
Cooler Master Elite 311 @ R320 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1669)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Basic 64-bit @ R794 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=38&products_id=2346)

Total: R4182

This gives you the option to scale things up pretty well over time. You can add in anything up to a Core i5 quad-core processor, more RAM and a stronger GPU because the power supply caters for it with the PCI-Express connector. It'll play anything your kids will want and with a few upgrades over time, should last you the next five years until the system needs replacement. When that happens, you could repurpose it as a media center PC/home server or even donate it to someone who needs a PC.

Mythor
18-09-2012, 08:53 AM
Thanks a stack, Wesley. It makes a great change getting informed advice rather than someone just wanting to flog the most expensive or overstocked components. I really appreciate your input.

Wesley
18-09-2012, 03:30 PM
Laptop Buyer's Guide: September R15,000 to R21,000


Aaaaand we're back with the last installment for this month's Laptop Buyer's guide, boys and girls. I hope you brought your wallets or copious amounts of drool with you because this is where the high-end is, where laptops and Ultrabooks compete for the same money while gamers get less and less choice in hardware, with diminishing returns the further you go up the ladder. I stand by what I said in the previous episode of the guide - Lenovo's Y580 covers all the bases and is the best all-rounder for your money, guaranteed. So let's see if the higher price points will bring up anything better.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=27940)

Sylar_dl
25-09-2012, 08:29 PM
Hi
Been a while but wes can you give me some builds ranging from 5k builds to about 20k builds gaming pc wise, i favour intel and ATI but I am open to change :), even if it the builds you already done, I will look into them and post my ideas etc based on them for advice, I recently threw away my original build plans due to change in budget which as you can see is unstable, it all depends on how the parents feel when it gets to paying money in so I want to be prepared for anything. Much thanks

Wesley
25-09-2012, 08:37 PM
Hey dude

Well there's always the first post of this thread for the AMD recommendations, they'll change next month following the launch of the socket FM2 chips based on Piledriver. The System Builders Guide I post on NAG Online starts with the August R4000 budget (http://www.nag.co.za/2012/08/07/system-builders-guide-august-r4000-to-r6500/) and scales up, but I didn't have any recommendations for R20k - I figure if you've got that kind of cash and you're reading NAG, you have a pretty good idea of what you want already.

BattleMoose
26-09-2012, 10:08 AM
Hey,

So its that time for me to get a new PC. I unashamedly do not follow the hardware news, trends and know very little about what current hardware is available or that is expected. I then humbly ask for the wisdom of the forum to help me in selecting a new rig, for which I would be most appreciative! :-)

I am willing to shelve out a fair bit of coin for a decent rig that would serve me well for the next 2-3 years. (playing the latest games at full graphics for the first year or so at least) As always, cost effectiveness is the name of the game.

Note I am living in Melbourne, not that this should affect hardware selection all that much, just calculating costs in Rands, would not be a helpful exercise. Ill have to look for an appropriate dealer here in Australia but do want to have a very good idea of what I should be aiming for.

Thanks!

NewBe
26-09-2012, 01:10 PM
Hi. Not sure if this is the right place to post this to. I've just finished building a brand new Gamers PC system. I am now in the process of copying or re-installing all the programs and games from "old" pc to new one.
I have installed a Intel SSD520 - 180GB as my "primary" drive, I have installed Win 7 Prof -64 Bit on it, as well as some programs and some games... I've noticed that space might become a problem later... I also have a seperate 2TB Seagate Baracuda HDD installed, mainly for DATA files.
My question is this, can I install new games/programs i.e. Steam to the HDD and not the SSD? Will the system automatically create all the "program files/data" folders on the HDD? Sorry for asking this but this whole SSD thing raised a lot of questions as what to do and what not to do! BTW the system is extremely fast with new SSD and is awesome. Tnx

Wesley
26-09-2012, 01:46 PM
First off: Scorptec (http://www.scorptec.com.au/) is a place my cousin in Australia buys from and they have a pick-up store in South Melbourne. Few of the other online shops have pick-up stores and this is one of them. Scorptec is a tiny bit more expensive than other places, but I'm told that's because they have the same service levels Prophecy Shop was famous for - so they're pretty decent.

Intel Core i5 3570K @ $237 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45512-bx80637i53570k)
ASRock H77 PRO4/MVP @ $105 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45269-h77-pro4-mvp)
Geil Corsa DDR3-1600 16GB @ $116 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/47508-gec34gb1600c9sc)
Gigabyte Radeon HD7970 3GB DDR5 @ $449 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/44604-gv-r797oc-3gd) or GTX670 2GB DDR5 Windforce @ $469 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45624-gv-n670oc-2gd)
OCZ Vertex 4 128GB @ $119 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45427-vtx4-25sat3-128g)
Western Digital 2TB Caviar Green @ $109 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/41099-wd20earx)
Asus DRW-24B5ST DVD Writer @ $29 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/46436-drw-24b5st)
OCZ Fatal1ty 750W Modular @ $109 (www.scorptec.com.au/computer/40067-ocz750fty)
NZXT PHANTOM 410 WHITE @ $129 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/44374-8c-p4nl1-wuw)

Total: $1422

Its a bit expensive, but if you'd like the ability to game at high and a 1080p screen for the next few years, this is what I'd suggest. I think the only thing you'd have to upgrade as time passes is the hard drive storage, maybe you find that 128GB SSD gets a bit too small after a year or two, something like that. I've no idea what your budget is, but this is what I'd aim for in a high-end gaming build. AMD's new Piledriver-based chips are just around the corner as well, so you may want to read up on those before making your final decision, especially if you're keen on Windows 8 as well.

Also, most of the stuff I've linked is in stock at their Melbourne store. Could have everything in your living room by tomorrow if you wanted!



Hi. Not sure if this is the right place to post this to. I've just finished building a brand new Gamers PC system. I am now in the process of copying or re-installing all the programs and games from "old" pc to new one.
I have installed a Intel SSD520 - 180GB as my "primary" drive, I have installed Win 7 Prof -64 Bit on it, as well as some programs and some games... I've noticed that space might become a problem later... I also have a seperate 2TB Seagate Baracuda HDD installed, mainly for DATA files.
My question is this, can I install new games/programs i.e. Steam to the HDD and not the SSD? Will the system automatically create all the "program files/data" folders on the HDD? Sorry for asking this but this whole SSD thing raised a lot of questions as what to do and what not to do! BTW the system is extremely fast with new SSD and is awesome. Tnx

What you can do is install Steam to your SSD as normal. Then create a folder/partition on your 2TB drive to house the games that either don't benefit from the SSD or that aren't played frequently. You can then use the Steam SSD Optimiser (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1035036-Steam-SSD-Optimiser-now-available!) to move the games between drives as you need them. Remember to also read through this SSD Optimisation guide (http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds) to see how you can get the most out of it. There are a few things you should always do with a SSD:

1) Disable the disk defragmentation schedule in Windows
2) Enable TRIM by running the Windows Experience index or turning it on manually
3) Disable the indexing service
4) Turn off Superfetch and Windows 7's prefetcher

BattleMoose
26-09-2012, 01:59 PM
Wow, thanks Wesley, thats incredibly helpful! Exactly what I was looking for!

CrashHelmut
26-09-2012, 02:39 PM
Again, my recommendation is to go with the bigger SSD (256GB). I know this adds another $100 or so to the total cost, but the advantage is that it makes things so much simpler. Don't have to worry about where your Steam folder is, or where your save games are being stored.

In fact, if you're not going keep any large media on the PC at all (I've got a NAS server for that) then you can leave out the magnetic hard drive completely.

Of course, this is all dependant on individual preference and requirements.

Toxxyc
26-09-2012, 03:04 PM
I'd always install an HDD in any situation. Even if only for the game backups (games you're no longer playing, back them up from Steam so you don't have to re-download everything next time), it's a VERY viable choice.

Wesley
26-09-2012, 03:16 PM
Again, my recommendation is to go with the bigger SSD (256GB). I know this adds another $100 or so to the total cost, but the advantage is that it makes things so much simpler. Don't have to worry about where your Steam folder is, or where your save games are being stored.

I have to agree as well, 256GB is the best starting point, but I'm just giving Moose a ballpark figure he can work on. Me, I'm trying to save enough money for a 128GB SSD and some extra RAM that I'll try buy at rAge, maybe a new PSU as well seeing as mine is going on to year three pretty soon. Sadly, that's all I can possibly afford.

NewBe
26-09-2012, 10:26 PM
Tnx Wesley. Will there be a difference if I create a seperate partionioning or whether I just create a seperate folder? I have already bought the 180GB SSD and already regret not going for the 256GB from the beginning... Can you also explain more about Superfetch function... some guys recommend NOT to disable it...? For me it is all new

Wesley
27-09-2012, 02:19 AM
Tnx Wesley. Will there be a difference if I create a seperate partionioning or whether I just create a seperate folder?

Not really, but a separate partition is easier to back up as a complete image, making restoring the drive's info far easier if you ever suffer a crash at an unfortunate moment. It really is a pain to have to re-download games, especially if you have a 384 DSL line like me.


Can you also explain more about Superfetch function... some guys recommend NOT to disable it...? For me it is all new

Superfetch would watch your activities over two weeks of the month and would cache frequently accessed files to launch specific programs on your page file, offloading those same files to your RAM so that programs would start up quicker when you clicked them - it was first included in Vista while Microsoft was experimenting with how the OS handled RAM drives and the ReadyBoost tech (which was completely worthless). It was a technology made for mechanical hard drives, but since you have a SSD there's no need for the service to take up RAM needlessly - most things launch in the blink of an eye. Disabling it doesn't break anything either.

Wesley
27-09-2012, 02:21 AM
Wow, thanks Wesley, thats incredibly helpful! Exactly what I was looking for!

If you check back here Moose, the board I recommended is incorrect - it should have been a Z77 board, not H77 as the latter would prevent you from overclocking the CPU. Keep that in mind :-)

Sylar_dl
27-09-2012, 09:17 AM
If you check back here Moose, the board I recommended is incorrect - it should have been a Z77 board, not H77 as the latter would prevent you from overclocking the CPU. Keep that in mind :-)

While we on boards, can you comment on this board http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=1195. Is there a better board with a similer price and will it give good performance and allow me to use the 3770K cpu to its full potential?

Wesley
27-09-2012, 09:43 AM
While we on boards, can you comment on this board http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=1195. Is there a better board with a similer price and will it give good performance and allow me to use the 3770K cpu to its full potential?

If you choose a Z68/H67/H61 board you need the BIOS to be updated to enable compatibility with Ivy Bridge CPUs. The ASUS is not that bad as far as boards go, but I'd rather recommend this:

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H @ R1916 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5765)

Neo reviewed the board (http://www.theoverclocker.com/theoverclocker-issue-19/) recently and I agree, it is the best budget overclocker you can choose today.

Sylar_dl
27-09-2012, 09:57 AM
If you choose a Z68/H67/H61 board you need the BIOS to be updated to enable compatibility with Ivy Bridge CPUs. The ASUS is not that bad as far as boards go, but I'd rather recommend this:

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H @ R1916 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5765)

Neo reviewed the board (http://www.theoverclocker.com/theoverclocker-issue-19/) recently and I agree, it is the best budget overclocker you can choose today.

For me the problem with that board is the lack of pci slots, one for me doesnt seem enough or is that my old pc mentality and have we moved one completly

Wesley
27-09-2012, 10:03 AM
For me the problem with that board is the lack of pci slots, one for me doesnt seem enough or is that my old pc mentality and have we moved one completly

One PCI slot is generous if you're looking at a high-end board, most manufacturers prefer to stretch out their lane allocation by using PCI-Express 1x and 4x slots. Hardware for those slots is much cheaper and readily available today, so there's no real disadvantage unless you're using a lot of PCI hardware like TV tuners you already own.

Toxxyc
27-09-2012, 10:06 AM
For me the problem with that board is the lack of pci slots, one for me doesnt seem enough or is that my old pc mentality and have we moved one completly

Lack of PCI slots? You've got 3 high-speed slots (2 x PCI-E 3.0, 1 x PCI-E 2.0), 3 normal PCI-E slots and one normal PCI slot. How many do you want? O.o

CrashHelmut
27-09-2012, 10:25 AM
Lack of PCI slots? You've got 3 high-speed slots (2 x PCI-E 3.0, 1 x PCI-E 2.0), 3 normal PCI-E slots and one normal PCI slot. How many do you want? O.o
I'm assuming he meant legacy PCI slots.

It seems that PCI slots are finally being relegated. I was surprised to see one on my Z77 board (it's a mATX) as I'd thought they've been phased out completely. However, I was quite happy to be able to plug in my ancient* Soundblaster card when I discovered the on-board audio did not quite cut the mustard.

(*Well, it's 6 years old, which is ancient in hardware terms.)

Sylar_dl
27-09-2012, 10:29 AM
Lack of PCI slots? You've got 3 high-speed slots (2 x PCI-E 3.0, 1 x PCI-E 2.0), 3 normal PCI-E slots and one normal PCI slot. How many do you want? O.o

I fine with the PCI-E its the single PCI slot that gives me issues, I will look at what exspansion cards I want but it should be good Wesley otherwise if I need more what do you recommend

Toxxyc
27-09-2012, 10:45 AM
Wow. They even make PCI equipment anymore? I bought a sound card about a year ago already, I remember it as good as yesterday, and I searched EVERYWHERE for a PCI card but couldn't find one for the life of me. Eventually I found some, but they where hellishly expensive, so I "settled" for a PCI-E card instead.

Sylar_dl
27-09-2012, 11:07 AM
Wow. They even make PCI equipment anymore? I bought a sound card about a year ago already, I remember it as good as yesterday, and I searched EVERYWHERE for a PCI card but couldn't find one for the life of me. Eventually I found some, but they where hellishly expensive, so I "settled" for a PCI-E card instead.
Quick search found me this http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=2912 and this http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=6965 here are the pci E version on the same site http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=2962 and here http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=2918
as you can see the PCIE version costs more than the PCI version and PCI is still alive so my concerns are legit :)

Toxxyc
27-09-2012, 11:52 AM
Hehe that's too bad actually. I won't buy PCI at all. It's going the same route as DDR2, AGP, etc. etc. Get PCI-E equipment, please?

BattleMoose
28-09-2012, 04:29 AM
@Wesley,

Just going through everything that you recommended. (Just doing my due diligence)

Is there any particular reason why you selected the case that you did? Is it better at ventilation that other cases about that price?

And just to confirm that this is the mobo you are recommending.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45275-z77-pro4-m

Sylar_dl
28-09-2012, 09:07 AM
Hehe that's too bad actually. I won't buy PCI at all. It's going the same route as DDR2, AGP, etc. etc. Get PCI-E equipment, please?

I will get a pci wifi card, its not that important so it can sit in a pci slot the rest i will get pci e

Can anyone recommend a good cpu cooling fan that will keep my cpu cool but wont blow the air out onto something like my gpu, i was looking at this www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_33&products_id=5169, i don't want water Cooling

Cranky
28-09-2012, 09:14 AM
@Wesley,

Just going through everything that you recommended. (Just doing my due diligence)

Is there any particular reason why you selected the case that you did? Is it better at ventilation that other cases about that price?

And just to confirm that this is the mobo you are recommending.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45275-z77-pro4-m


Z77 Extreme 4



I will get a pci wifi card, its not that important so it can sit in a pci slot the rest i will get pci e

Can anyone recommend a good cpu cooling fan that will keep my cpu cool but wont blow the air out onto something like my gpu, i was looking at this www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_33&products_id=5169, i don't want water Cooling



Evo 212 and put hte fan on the side that blows away from your gpu and out the case.

Wesley
28-09-2012, 09:59 AM
Is there any particular reason why you selected the case that you did? Is it better at ventilation that other cases about that price?

Apart from the looks, the Phantom 410 does do the cooling thing really well and simply swallows hardware with style. Its also one of the highest-rated brands on the market today after Fractal and Lian Li in terms of materials quality.

And it comes in white ^_^



And just to confirm that this is the mobo you are recommending.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45275-z77-pro4-m

Yup, either the Z77 Pro 4-M or you could even choose the Pro 3 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/45274-z77-pro3). Either one will do just fine.



Can anyone recommend a good cpu cooling fan that will keep my cpu cool but wont blow the air out onto something like my gpu, i was looking at this www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_33&products_id=5169, i don't want water Cooling

I second the recommendation of the Hyper 212 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_33&products_id=1984) as a CPU fan, excellent value for money. I'm planning to get myself one for my rig at some point. There's also the Turbo version of the 212 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=12_33&products_id=7231), which allows you to mount two fans for a push-pull setup.

Toxxyc
28-09-2012, 10:24 AM
I'd recommend the Hyper 212 as well. Seeing as I've got one. And it's bloodywell epic. Seriously.

Cranky
28-09-2012, 11:30 AM
To add what wesley said.. Ive got a Evo 212 and mine can add 2 fans.. Its just never have been necessary CPU runs way ok :D

BattleMoose
28-09-2012, 03:56 PM
Its happening, order has been placed.

But. Even though everything is ostensibly in stock. The quote 7-10 buissness days, to put it together. (There are options to get it down sooner but they charge quite a lot extra for that)

Really not very impressed so far that they think its okay to take 10 days for a 2 hour job. :-/ But, well see.

Bazatt
28-09-2012, 07:19 PM
I am thinking of building a new Media Center/Home Theater PC setup. Its primary function is to be a DVD/Blu-Ray player and a (umm ... legally downloaded) HD movie player/library. WiFi/LAN capability for YouTube etc. would also be nice. With that in mind I came up with this set up:

CASE: SILVERSTONE MILO SERIES 3 HTPC TOWER (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=6531)

PSU: GIGABYTE ODIN GZ-ODIN-370-C2 (370W) (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=5436)

MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3H (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=5762)

HDD: SEAGATE BARRACUDA SV35.5 ST3000VX000 (3TB, 7200RPM, SATA 6G) (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=4387)

OPTICAL: LITE-ON IHES212 BLU-RAY COMBO (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=5591)

RAM: KINGSTON VALUERAM KVR1333D3N9/2G (2GB) (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=290)

CPU: INTEL CORE I3-2105 (DUAL-CORE 3.1GHZ) (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=4145)

CPU COOLER: COOLER MASTER VORTEX 211Q (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1980)

WIFI: CANYON CNP-WF518N2 WIRELESS ADAPTER (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=5905)

This should have more than ample space for movies etc. as well as be powerful enough to display Blu-Ray movies via HDMI for a total cost of R5920. I don't think there is anything wrong with that setup. The reason I am posting on here though is the issue of HD recording. Could I record HD content from my HD PVR onto the PC via something like a BlackMagic Intensity Pro (http://www.digitaldepot.co.za/blackmagic_decklink_intensity_pro)? Would it be worth the R2000 for the HDMI that may not even work due to HDCP? Any help here would be great. Thanks.

CrashHelmut
28-09-2012, 09:39 PM
A media center PC is whole different beast to a gaming or general use PC. To do it properly one must consider the noise this thing is going to emit. You don't want to listen to the whirring of fans or the "chug-chug" of the harddrive during those quiet and intense scenes in the film. For that reason (and some others) it tends to work out a bit more expensive than what one would think.

Taking that in consideration I'm going to make some comments on your system based on personal experience and from what I've read. In no way am I attempting to be overly critical or implying what I'm saying is the definite solution. I'm just giving you some recommendations to consider.

The Silverstone case looks pretty decent, and is seems to be good value. However, the amount of ventilation holes could indicate a lot of noise bleed. Also, the aluminium frame does not inspire confidence in quiet computing. I've got a feeling you'll have a lot of fan and harddrive rattle reverberating through the frame. A costlier alternative, but with a solid steel frame and decent cooling design: Antec nsk2480b (http://www.prophecy.co.za/antec-solution-nsk2480b-black-desktop-chassis-p-38495.html?osCsid=2e11b6ac5dba7259169efc5efb813e20 ). It also comes with a decent power supply.

Speaking of the PSU, I've not worked with the Gigabyte Odin, but I've got a feeling it's a rebranded OEM PSU. And those tend to be inefficient and noisy.

On the harddrive; I'd recommend getting a green (or PVR) version of the drive. Thus something that runs at a lower RPM than 7200. You don't need massive speed for video recording or playback, and those drives tend to run quieter, cooler and is a tad easier on the electricity bill.

Motherboard and CPU: Here I'd recommend something that can support Intel Quick Sync (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video), since it seems you may be doing some capturing as well. Also, if you're going to be doing HD or Blu-Ray playback, then the HD2000 GPU on that Core i3 processor you've listed may be a bit underpowered. I'd recommend something with the HD4000 or consider going with a cheap modern discrete GPU. (Alternatively wait for the AMD Trinity desktop processors to become available.)

The rest of the components seem fine. I can't really say anything on the video capture device, except you may be right about the DRM (HDCP) being a problem. I'd research that thoroughly considering the costs involved.

Wesley
28-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Here's my first question: what are you going to be using to play your media? Are you going for a Linux-based approach or will you use Windows 7/Home Server with PLEX installed? Do you have a wireless keyboard and mouse or are you thinking about buying a media remote to handle everything?


I don't think there is anything wrong with that setup. The reason I am posting on here though is the issue of HD recording. Could I record HD content from my HD PVR onto the PC via something like a BlackMagic Intensity Pro? Would it be worth the R2000 for the HDMI that may not even work due to HDCP? Any help here would be great. Thanks.

If by HD PVR you mean a DSTV setup, then no, you won't be able to. The HD decoders only enable the HD option when the set-top box is plugged into a TV via HDMI. That means its an encrypted channel and will scramble the signal if you attempt to intercept it while playing back anything you've set the PVR to download. Unless you find a recorder that allows for HDCP and Dolby DTS-Passthru I'm afraid you'll be stuck with trying to hack the actual copy protection on the hard drive itself. And that means voiding your warranty as well.

I'm planning a media server for myself at some point and this is what I'm looking at:

HP ProLiant N40L Microserver @ R1799 (http://hpshop.co.za/p-8019-hp-proliant-n40l-microserver-658553-421.aspx) (read the review to see why (http://www.wegotserved.com/2012/07/15/hands-hp-microserver-proliant-microserver-n40l/))
Western Digital Caviar Red 1TB x5 @ R4895 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=6740)
Sapphire HD5450 Low Profile 1GB DDR3 @ R358 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=828)
D-Link DWA-121 802.11n @ R152 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45_49&products_id=4450)

The software side of it may take some time. I'm going to be following Milkman's guide for starting up your own Pseudo-TV Media server (http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/418414-Milkman-s-Guide-to-the-Ultimate-Media-System) and running Linux off a flash drive at the rear in order to make enough space for the fifth hard drive. Its a complicated setup but one that I'm happy to attempt if it works out nicely.

Bazatt
28-09-2012, 10:51 PM
I have done some more research since my earlier post and have found out about the HD Fury (http://hdfury.com). Using one such as the Fury II to strip the HDCP could work (although its a component output and at $179 it aint cheap). As far as hardrives go I suppose could use this: Western Digital WD30EZRX Caviar Green 3TB (http://www.prophecy.co.za/western-digital-wd30ezrx-caviar-green-sata3-54007200rpm-p-97637.html?osCsid=2e11b6ac5dba7259169efc5efb813e20 ). The i3-2105 comes with Intel HD3000 and is Quick Sync enabled (Intel site (http://ark.intel.com/products/55448/Intel-Core-i3-2105-Processor-3M-Cache-3_10-GHz)).I'm not actually sure what software I want to use yet, although Linux is teasing both because its free and because its challenging. As far as remotes go I think XBMC is meant to work better with remotes although I havent dug to deep into it. I'm going to read Milkman's guide now.

CrashHelmut
28-09-2012, 11:22 PM
I own a Proliant N40L Microserver that I use as a NAS. It's a fairly cost effective solution for a HTPC (as long as you are not planning on some heavy encoding). It does have a fair bit of hum to it though, but this may be remedied by replacing the stock case fan (or perhaps undervolting it).

Heh, you may need to cover up or disable the front LED as well. That thing is bright.

Sylar_dl
29-09-2012, 03:29 PM
Am i the only one experiencing problems getting onto the rebel tech site

D34thByCh01c3
29-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Am i the only one experiencing problems getting onto the rebel tech site

Nope, got it too :/

Sylar_dl
30-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Hi there, can anyone recommend a psu for this build

Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5ghz
Gigabyte GA-Z77-UD3H
Either Team 4x4gb chips or adata 4x8gb chips both 1600Mhz
HD7970
WD 10EARX 1TB hdd
Asus DVD and light scribe drive
7 deep cool 120mm fans
Hyper 212 cpu fan
Deepcool Rock master fan controller
With space for maximum of 4 hdd.
Lowest price possible as I have already blown my 15k budget.

Wesley
30-09-2012, 10:26 PM
You can get away with:

Cooler Master GX 650W @ R956 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1794)

But I'd really rather you buy:

Corsair GS800 800W @ R1124 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1767)

But if you're taking long-term upgrades into account (high overclocking, another HD7970, overclocking both GPUs)

SilverStone Strider Plus 1000W @ R1791 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=4993)

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 07:32 AM
You can get away with:

Cooler Master GX 650W @ R956 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1794)

But I'd really rather you buy:

Corsair GS800 800W @ R1124 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1767)

But if you're taking long-term upgrades into account (high overclocking, another HD7970, overclocking both GPUs)

SilverStone Strider Plus 1000W @ R1791 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=4993)

The Silverstone 600w isn't gonna be enough to power it right

Wesley
01-10-2012, 08:13 AM
The Silverstone 600w isn't gonna be enough to power it right

It can power the rig just fine, but you'll be limited in the amount of overclocking you may want to do. If you do any synthetic benchmarks while completely stressing out all components at the same time, your power draw will be around 450-500W depending on your clock speeds, with overvolting pushing things up a bit more. If you aren't going to overclock then the Silverstone is fine. But since you chose a K-series chip, I imaging you'll try to get your money's worth out of it.

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 10:21 AM
It can power the rig just fine, but you'll be limited in the amount of overclocking you may want to do. If you do any synthetic benchmarks while completely stressing out all components at the same time, your power draw will be around 450-500W depending on your clock speeds, with overvolting pushing things up a bit more. If you aren't going to overclock then the Silverstone is fine. But since you chose a K-series chip, I imaging vl try to get your money's worth out of it.
The most i will do with the k series chip is turbo boost it to i think its 3.9ghz. Like i said budget blown I would rather by the smallest possible psu now and then if i get another gpu down the line i will buy a bigger psu to go with it. By the way I am gonna get the thermal take spacecraft as its mid range and i don't believe in spending a couple thousand on a case, if i could i would make a wooden box and put a whole bunch of fans in it or something like that.

Toxxyc
01-10-2012, 10:25 AM
Like i said budget blown I would rather by the smallest possible psu now and then if i get another gpu down the line i will buy a bigger psu to go with it.

That's a stupid idea. Trust me, it's a stupid idea. For the price of another GPU + PSU you can then sell the existing GPU, take that money with the new GPU+PSU money and buy a new card that'll rock your socks off, but you'll still be lacking power. Buy a big PSU now, and save in the long run.

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 10:58 AM
That's a stupid idea. Trust me, it's a stupid idea. For the price of another GPU + PSU you can then sell the existing GPU, take that money with the new GPU+PSU money and buy a new card that'll rock your socks off, but you'll still be lacking power. Buy a big PSU now, and save in the long run.

I will try a big one but if i don't have the cash i don't have the cash otherwise Silverstone psu here i come, i will get the psu last in the hope that more money will find its way to me

Wesley
01-10-2012, 11:45 AM
The most i will do with the k series chip is turbo boost it to i think its 3.9ghz. Like i said budget blown I would rather by the smallest possible psu now and then if i get another gpu down the line i will buy a bigger psu to go with it. By the way I am gonna get the thermal take spacecraft as its mid range and i don't believe in spending a couple thousand on a case, if i could i would make a wooden box and put a whole bunch of fans in it or something like that.

Have you already ordered all of this stuff? If your budget is blown, chuck out the i7-3770K and go for the i5-3570K rather. That chops R1000 off your total and gives you enough money for a decent PSU. Trust me, if you want to skimp - by all means that's your prerogative - you will regret having to splash out extra further down the line. Its nonsensical in my opinion because a good PSU lasts you ages - with newer components sucking up less and less power, a 800W PSU for a high-end build could easily last more than three years. I'd much rather you go for the 800W I recommended than because then you don't have to change anything else when adding in another GPU.

As for the chassis, the Spacefraft is okay, I guess you could do worse. I'd recommend you look at these choices as well:

Antec One S3 @ R478 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=5540)
Antec One @ R518 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=3619http://)
Zalman Z9 @ R506 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1575)

Personal favourite is the Antec One and all three have better build quality and features (USB 3.0 for the Antecs) as opposed to the Spacecraft.

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 12:38 PM
Have you already ordered all of this stuff? If your budget is blown, chuck out the i7-3770K and go for the i5-3570K rather. That chops R1000 off your total and gives you enough money for a decent PSU. Trust me, if you want to skimp - by all means that's your prerogative - you will regret having to splash out extra further down the line. Its nonsensical in my opinion because a good PSU lasts you ages - with newer components sucking up less and less power, a 800W PSU for a high-end build could easily last more than three years. I'd much rather you go for the 800W I recommended than because then you don't have to change anything else when adding in another GPU.

As for the chassis, the Spacefraft is okay, I guess you could do worse. I'd recommend you look at these choices as well:

Antec One S3 @ R478 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=5540)
Antec One @ R518 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=3619http://)
Zalman Z9 @ R506 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1575)

Personal favourite is the Antec One and all three have better build quality and features (USB 3.0 for the Antecs) as opposed to the Spacecraft.

Stuff isnt ordered just yet but do u think i should get the 3770 without the k cause it is also cheaper but can be turbo boosted to 3.9

I cant find the zalman case on a product webpage with alot of pics and reviews and stats etc

.exe
01-10-2012, 12:42 PM
When it comes to components, two things I never, ever skimp on is a good PSU and a good mobo. Those two always take top priority for me.

Wesley
01-10-2012, 12:46 PM
Stuff isnt ordered just yet but do u think i should get the 3770 without the k cause it is also cheaper but can be turbo boosted to 3.9

You can, but I know it won't save you that much money on your budget. The i5-3570K performs exactly the same in games, is cheaper and overclocks better in most cases.

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 12:56 PM
You can, but I know it won't save you that much money on your budget. The i5-3570K performs exactly the same in games, is cheaper and overclocks better in most cases.

Ohk, will look at that, is there any other 800w psu that you think i should look at
I cant seem to find the zalmans homepage

Wesley
01-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Ohk, will look at that, is there any other 800w psu that you think i should look at
I cant seem to find the zalmans homepage

http://www.zalman.com/

And there's not a lot of 800W PSUs that will perform to the same level as the Corsair GS800, either in terms of efficiency, performance or warranty in the same price range. Granted, it isn't modular, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem if you have a decent chassis. If you'd like a modular PSU with similar performance in the same price range, look no further than Cooler Master's Silent Pro M2 720W @ R1253 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=4668)

Guru3D review (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_gs800_review,1.html)
TechpowerUp! review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/GS800_V2/)
Hardware Secrets review (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-GS800-Power-Supply-Review/1103/8) (guys are 'effing mad, pulling nearly 1000W from this thing!)

RayRay
01-10-2012, 06:15 PM
Just finished my new rig upgrade without too much trouble; only issues were that I had to install a fresh copy of Windows due to the Windows Repair loop I experienced right after the hardware change.

My rig is as follows:

800W V12XT PSU
MSI H77MA-G43 Mobo
AMD R7770 1Gig
Core i5 Intel
500Gig SATA drive

Busy updating Sleeping Dogs right now, can't wait to test out my new rig with this game.

Thanks for the initial help a month back, got some good guidance that lead to my current rig :)

Sylar_dl
01-10-2012, 06:16 PM
http://www.zalman.com/

And there's not a lot of 800W PSUs that will perform to the same level as the Corsair GS800, either in terms of efficiency, performance or warranty in the same price range. Granted, it isn't modular, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem if you have a decent chassis. If you'd like a modular PSU with similar performance in the same price range, look no further than Cooler Master's Silent Pro M2 720W @ R1253 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=4668)

Guru3D review (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_gs800_review,1.html)
TechpowerUp! review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/GS800_V2/)
Hardware Secrets review (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-GS800-Power-Supply-Review/1103/8) (guys are 'effing mad, pulling nearly 1000W from this thing!)

Does the one at rebel tech also have the temp display and fan controller or is the one on the website a newer model

Bluesrock
03-10-2012, 12:15 PM
Hi Guys
Back again for some advice for a friend.

Trying to build him a new pc. So far this is my idea at around his budget (R6300):

Note: hard/disc drives and peripheral to be recycled from old pc

CPU: intel-core-i5-3450@R1860 (http://www.wootware.co.za/intel-core-i5-3450-3-1ghz-lga1155-quad-core-ivy-bridge-cpu.html)
MOBO: biostar-tp67b-lga155-atx-revision-b3-motherboard-retail @ 1140 (http://www.wootware.co.za/biostar-tp67b-lga155-atx-revision-b3-motherboard-retail.html)
PSU: corsair-cx500-eps12v-atx-12v-v2-3-500w-12v-408w@R664 (http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cx500-eps12v-atx-12v-v2-3-500w-12v-408w.html)
RAM: g-skill-f3-10666cl9d-8gbxl-2x4gb-ddr3-1333-ripjaws-x @ R458 (http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f3-10666cl9d-8gbxl-2x4gb-ddr3-1333-ripjaws-x-desktop-memory.html)
GPU: msi-geforce-gtx560-1gb-256bit-gddr5 @R1886 (http://www.wootware.co.za/msi-geforce-gtx560-1gb-256bit-gddr5-pci-e-dual-fan-desktop-graphics-card.html)
Case: coolermaster-rc-361-kkn1-elite-361-atx @R341 (http://www.wootware.co.za/coolermaster-rc-361-kkn1-elite-361-atx-desktop-chassis.html)

Will only use wootware as suppliers as I have had personal experience with them and don't want to recommend companies I am not familiar with. The PC's most stressful task will be gaming.

Any suggestions welcome. Also if anyone could give me an idea of how long this rig will remain relevant w.r.t. gaming that would be great.

Thanks in advance guys

Sylar_dl
03-10-2012, 04:17 PM
Hi Guys
Back again for some advice for a friend.

Trying to build him a new pc. So far this is my idea at around his budget (R6300):

Note: hard/disc drives and peripheral to be recycled from old pc

CPU: intel-core-i5-3450@R1860 (http://www.wootware.co.za/intel-core-i5-3450-3-1ghz-lga1155-quad-core-ivy-bridge-cpu.html)
MOBO: biostar-tp67b-lga155-atx-revision-b3-motherboard-retail @ 1140 (http://www.wootware.co.za/biostar-tp67b-lga155-atx-revision-b3-motherboard-retail.html)
PSU: corsair-cx500-eps12v-atx-12v-v2-3-500w-12v-408w@R664 (http://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cx500-eps12v-atx-12v-v2-3-500w-12v-408w.html)
RAM: g-skill-f3-10666cl9d-8gbxl-2x4gb-ddr3-1333-ripjaws-x @ R458 (http://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f3-10666cl9d-8gbxl-2x4gb-ddr3-1333-ripjaws-x-desktop-memory.html)
GPU: msi-geforce-gtx560-1gb-256bit-gddr5 @R1886 (http://www.wootware.co.za/msi-geforce-gtx560-1gb-256bit-gddr5-pci-e-dual-fan-desktop-graphics-card.html)
Case: coolermaster-rc-361-kkn1-elite-361-atx @R341 (http://www.wootware.co.za/coolermaster-rc-361-kkn1-elite-361-atx-desktop-chassis.html)

Will only use wootware as suppliers as I have had personal experience with them and don't want to recommend companies I am not familiar with. The PC's most stressful task will be gaming.

Any suggestions welcome. Also if anyone could give me an idea of how long this rig will remain relevant w.r.t. gaming that would be great.

Thanks in advance guys

Hmm, i don't have much experience with nvidia cards but from everything else good u can expect a good 3 years of gaming, if the card good then probably on max graphics, the specs for new games like far cry 3 are still at a minimum of a dual core, maybe another 4gb chip will help with shared memory as the card only has 1gb

Spydr
09-10-2012, 10:29 AM
hey guys, i'm building a new pc that's really only going to be used for streaming to my ps3 via ps3 media server, surfing the net, using MS Office and programs like matlab...budget is 5K and unfortunately with the rand doing the way it is i need to get the pc soon or i'll have to increase my budget. This is what i have so far, hoping the components are reliable and good enough for this system. I appreciate any feedback...

MOBO : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5762

CPU : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6690

RAM : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7169 getting 2 * 4GB

PSU : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1792

HDD : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1281

CASE : http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5426

Wesley
09-10-2012, 08:50 PM
Does the one at rebel tech also have the temp display and fan controller or is the one on the website a newer model

Sorry for the late reply, but I think its the one with the temp LCD, yeah.


Hi Guys
Back again for some advice for a friend.

Trying to build him a new pc. So far this is my idea at around his budget (R6300):

Note: hard/disc drives and peripheral to be recycled from old pc

[snip]

Will only use wootware as suppliers as I have had personal experience with them and don't want to recommend companies I am not familiar with. The PC's most stressful task will be gaming.

Any suggestions welcome. Also if anyone could give me an idea of how long this rig will remain relevant w.r.t. gaming that would be great.

Thanks in advance guys

I'm going to have the first of this month's System Builder's guides up tomorrow and I'll use that to give you an idea of what your friend can do. The GTX560 is old hat now, though. There are much better GPUs and boards he can use with for that budget.


hey guys, i'm building a new pc that's really only going to be used for streaming to my ps3 via ps3 media server, surfing the net, using MS Office and programs like matlab...budget is 5K and unfortunately with the rand doing the way it is i need to get the pc soon or i'll have to increase my budget. This is what i have so far, hoping the components are reliable and good enough for this system. I appreciate any feedback...

[snip]

That's a pretty good setup right there, good for the stuff you'd want to do. It does sound like an APU would be a consideration for you as well, if you need some graphical horsepower for things like Photo editing or video conversion, even some light gaming:

AMD A8-3870K @ R1305 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=4452)
MSI A75MA-P35 @ R705 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=5681)
TEAM Elite DDR3-1600 8GB @ R394 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7169)
OCZ Agility 3 120GB @ R964 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=4976)
Western Digital Caviar Green @ R732 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1281)
LG GH24NS90 @ R169 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=4121)
Cooler Master Elite 311 @ R320 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1669)
Cooler Master GX 400W @ R507 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1791)

Total: R5096

Once socket FM2 and AMD's new APU family, Trinity, hits local availability in about a month we'll have a better pool of products to choose from and I'd then definitely recommend an APU for your use-case.

Spydr
10-10-2012, 04:19 PM
@wesley thanks for the info bro...appreciate all your efforts to help guys like me out with building the best bang for buck system...after much deliberation (and with the rand dollar exchange rate jumping all over the place you have to deliberate raher quickly) i chose to go with the intel build, just figure i'll need that processing power the i5 ivy bridge offers versus waht amd has to offer...although i must admit i found myself leaning towards that amd build based on the inclusion of the ssd. However, if i'm honest with myself i probably won't use the pc enough (or it's full potential) to take notice of the ssd. Budget creep started to set in as i started loking at prettier cases and the zalman z9 plus started to stand out, but then my total order price went up by R250 (pesky exchange rate again) and so i decide to just order the system before it just got too expensive and i dont' think i would really need the 3 extra fans the z9 offered. Now i await the arrival of my build. Exciting times!

Bluesrock
10-10-2012, 05:02 PM
Thanks wesley looking forward to the suggestions

Wesley
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Thanks wesley looking forward to the suggestions

Looks like it'll be up tomorrow now :-P But you can blame Microsoft and Windows 8 for that. Only takes a day to iron out any kinks though, now its flying like a squirrel on a grease patch.

Bluesrock
10-10-2012, 06:13 PM
haha no problem wesley

Wesley
10-10-2012, 10:30 PM
System Builders Guide: October R4000 to R6500


And we're back boys and girls with another month focusing on desktops and their components. Following a hectic weekend at rAge spending some intimate time with AMD's Trinity APU, I can confirm for the first time that they will be getting a spot somewhere in my guide in future. Playing Borderlands 2 in 720p with high settings on the A10-5600K together with the HD6670, it was really pushing enough performance for you to forget what kind of hardware is powering the game. For gamers on a budget, Trinity and FM2 will be a real treat. This month also marks the first time Intel's Ivy Bridge will fill in the blanks in just about every single category, from the bottom-line Pentiums all the way up to the Core i7 family. So if you've got some money to burn this month, follow me to see how you can do!

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=28948)

To answer your earlier question, Bluesrock, the R6500 rig will last about two years or more playing games at 1080p on high, but may struggle in a few titles that heavily rely on the CPU in the multi-player segment. If your friend plays a lot of Battlefield 3 Multiplayer, he might be better served by chopping out the hard drive in my build and moving to the Core i5-3330 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=7593) instead, keeping everything else the same. You mentioned earlier that you would only purchase from Wootware; you can find mostly the same components there, but it will end up being more expensive because their mark-up is higher.

Legion
12-10-2012, 10:15 AM
Question:
running 3X HD7750 cards in crossfire for R950 a piece?
or
using X3 R950 for one good card?

spjt07
12-10-2012, 10:58 AM
Question:
running 3X HD7750 cards in crossfire for R950 a piece?
or
using X3 R950 for one good card?

One good card, definitely, lower power draw, better performance with an option to crossfire/sli it later should that be what you wanting.

Now my turn, what is the tdp of the asus 5770, I can't find it on the net and am wanting to get a new gpu on similar power draw

Cranky
12-10-2012, 11:49 AM
my 5770 maxed out at about 150W on max use and about 70degrees on load.

If that is any help to you

Wesley
12-10-2012, 12:53 PM
Question:
running 3X HD7750 cards in crossfire for R950 a piece?
or
using X3 R950 for one good card?

One good card, preferably. Besides the fact that you'll be using very weak cards (in comparison to a single GPU for ~R2800), you'll also have one teeny tiny issue:

http://www4.pcmag.com/media/images/334659-amd-radeon-hd-7750.jpg?thumb=y

Reference designs for the HD7750 don't include a Crossfire connector, so you'll likely be limited to software X-fire only. The HD7770 can do Crossfire with the proper connector, but only with two cards. I'd much rather get one of these puppies:

Sapphire HD7850 OC 2GB DDR5 @ R2752 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5311) or
MSI GTX660 OC, 2GB DDR5 @ R2779 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7747)


Now my turn, what is the tdp of the asus 5770, I can't find it on the net and am wanting to get a new gpu on similar power draw

One PCI-Express 6-pin connector resulted in a max TDP of 150W, although in my experience it was more like 130W in most games and apps. Similar cards in terms of power draw will be the Radeon HD7750 GHz edition (~80W), HD7770 (~90W), HD7850 (~120W), HD7870 (~150W) and Geforce GTX650 (~90W), GTX650 Ti (~110W), GTX660 (~130W), GTX660 Ti (~150W). All of these cards fall under the maximum TDP of 150W.

Your likely replacements in terms of better performance and less power draw would be either the HD7850 or the GTX660. Either one of those will be fine.

Legion
12-10-2012, 03:48 PM
ok sounds fine.
Thanks for the help guys.

spjt07
12-10-2012, 04:46 PM
One PCI-Express 6-pin connector resulted in a max TDP of 150W, although in my experience it was more like 130W in most games and apps. Similar cards in terms of power draw will be the Radeon HD7750 GHz edition (~80W), HD7770 (~90W), HD7850 (~120W), HD7870 (~150W) and Geforce GTX650 (~90W), GTX650 Ti (~110W), GTX660 (~130W), GTX660 Ti (~150W). All of these cards fall under the maximum TDP of 150W.

Your likely replacements in terms of better performance and less power draw would be either the HD7850 or the GTX660. Either one of those will be fine.

Thanks man, I work at a certain leader in computer supplier stores so I can get things at cost price so will be looking at the 7850 probably, just gotta make sure it will fit in to the case ok, cM Elite 335

Wesley
12-10-2012, 04:53 PM
Thanks man, I work at a certain leader in computer supplier stores so I can get things at cost price so will be looking at the 7850 probably, just gotta make sure it will fit in to the case ok, cM Elite 335

http://www.coolermaster.co.uk/upload/product_feature/Elite335U-moreinfo.jpg

The HD6990 measured about 305mm depending on the board used, where as most HD7850 2GB models top out at around 260mm.

Bluesrock
13-10-2012, 10:20 AM
Hi Wesley
My friend ended up ordering from wootware. The parts came out R500 more expensive however that included getting a 550w psu and the GTX660 (2GB) instead of the 7850(2GB). Everything else was left as is.

Thanks a lot for your help

spjt07
13-10-2012, 11:27 AM
http://www.coolermaster.co.uk/upload/product_feature/Elite335U-moreinfo.jpg

The HD6990 measured about 305mm depending on the board used, where as most HD7850 2GB models top out at around 260mm.

Thanks man, u been a great help :)

Wesley
15-10-2012, 01:02 AM
For those of you who were wondering, Chevron is still alive! And well, by the looks of things because he can probably still type his account details to log into Gtalk. Maybe he still has both hands, or only one. Or has lost both and uses voice recognition. Anyway, the man's alive. Just in case anyone's missing him.

Toxxyc
15-10-2012, 08:25 AM
Ahh good to hear about Chevron. I was just wondering about him in Friday, wanting to know if the good sir is still alive! O.o

Legion
15-10-2012, 10:14 PM
For those of you who were wondering, Chevron is still alive! And well, by the looks of things because he can probably still type his account details to log into Gtalk. Maybe he still has both hands, or only one. Or has lost both and uses voice recognition. Anyway, the man's alive. Just in case anyone's missing him.

Oh.. good he was always a nice person.
Hope all is well.

Wesley
16-10-2012, 01:33 PM
System Builders Guide: October R9000 to R11,000


In most of the System Buyer’s guides I’ve seen online since I started writing my own ones, I’ve come to realise that some of the ways in which people approach writing these guides varies according to how they view the requirements of modern-day software. Tom’s Hardware concentrates on gaming and productivity, Techspot tries to balance builds out with AMD rigs and for myself, it varies according to the budget at hand. Got R5000 to spend? Concentrate more on graphics horsepower because you won’t likely be playing at high resolutions but you will enable higher quality settings. Sitting all the way at the top? Go all-out with both the CPU and GPU and make no compromises. What about when you’re sitting in the middle? That’s what we’ll find out today.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/2012/10/16/system-builders-guide-october-r9000-to-r11000/)

Wesley
17-10-2012, 04:21 PM
ASUS brings out one of the first Windows 8 Gaming rigs


Boutique PCs like those assembled by Evetech have a certain charm to them - all the hard work and cable management has been done for you, sometimes everything's been overclocked to its limits and stability tested and it comes with a labour warranty, something that users without technical know-how will appreciate. While HP finished up its lineupe of gaming rigs, its third generation since the company started to offer them, ASUS has leapfrogged them with a stunning alternative to Dell's Alienware range.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/asus_rog_tytan_cg8480_01-600x374.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=29189)

Wesley
18-10-2012, 01:45 PM
ASUS launches a super-cheap Ultrabook, the Q200E


With Intel's Ultrabook program funding and spurring the industry onto another market and forever changing the ways disc drives are approached, it was only a matter of time before they started appearing in the lower price brackets. Because of the thermal constraints places upon their designs there aren't many versions with powerful hardware inside, with most relying on some Intel Core processor with on-die graphics. But most of these solutions are above the $700 barrier, stifling entry into lower-priced markets somewhat. But that's all about to change with the launch of Windows 8.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/asusq200e.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=29231)

Turok_sa
19-10-2012, 03:46 PM
Hi
I want to know i have a couple of pc parts witch will be best for my gaming rig and my media center

List of parts
1)gigabyte z68ap-d3
2)ARock z77 pro 3 all in onelga1155
3)i5 2400
4)i3 3220
5)asus 450 oc edition
6)club 3d hd7770
7)500 watt cooler master psu
8)750 watt cooler master psu
9)g.skill 8 gig 1600 ram sniper ddr3
10)trandcend 4gig 1600 ram ddr3

What wil be the best combination for a gaming rig and a media center

Thanks

Wesley
19-10-2012, 03:53 PM
Media center gets: Core i3, Z68 board with an updated BIOS to support it, GTS450 overclocked with all games playable at 720p with high settings, 500W PSU and 4GB RAM. Also consider putting Ubuntu or Linux Mint on it with XMBC as your media server if you're not going to be playing games. If that's the case, then use the stock CPU cooler and undervolt the Core i3 as low as stably possible to get rid of heat issues and lower your power usage. If you need a chassis, consider the Cooler Master Elite 341 for quiet cooling and a small footprint.

Gaming rig gets everything else, with the Core i5 overclocked to 3.4GHz on all cores using the BIOS on the Z77 board and a slight voltage increase. Also overclock the HD7770 to provide playable performance at 1080p with all settings on high and 2x AA. I can highly recommend Windows 8 for the better hardware support and lower system requirements.

Turok_sa
19-10-2012, 04:07 PM
Thanks for the reply. I have the lian li htpc chassis with 3 140mm fans plus cooler master 120mm cpu fan for the media center so do i need to underclock it still? It also have 4 2T hard disks.

And for the gaming rig u say overclock the cpu just a little but and the hd7770 i have a massive cooler master v6 gt cooler for the gaming rig is it a good cooler 4 the cpu?

Wesley
19-10-2012, 04:14 PM
Thanks for the reply. I have the lian li htpc chassis with 3 140mm fans plus cooler master 120mm cpu fan for the media center so do i need to underclock it still? It also have 4 2T hard disks.

Undervolt, not underclock. Well, not everyone is energy-conscious and personally I'll be using as many passive solutions as possible when getting my media center together one day for media viewing. I'm aware of the energy I use and with less heat and power consumption, you can get away with a smaller chassis and less fans, quietening the experience overall. But that's just me.

And I have to mention the hard drives as well - try to get them secured with rubber washers and have them vibrate as little as possible. Are you going to be accessing them separately, or RAID them into a single drive for a larger single volume? RAID 0 will give you a single 8TB partition with no redundancy, while RAID 5 would give you around 7TB of useable space with some redundancy. I'd also recommend booting off a separate, smaller drive, as trying to boot off a 8TB volume is going to take a little work. A SSD would do well there, in fact.

And for the gaming rig u say overclock the cpu just a little but and the hd7770 i have a massive cooler master v6 gt cooler for the gaming rig is it a good cooler 4 the cpu?

The V6 is one of the best budget coolers you can buy today, second in terms of value to Cooler Master's own Hyper 212+/Evo. You shouldn't have any heat issues with that one.

Turok_sa
19-10-2012, 04:19 PM
Thanks alot

And i agree less power and heat=lower noice and experiance. I will do that

Thank you sir

Edit: O and one more thing do you have a link for how to overclock your cpu and the hd7770
Thanks

Edit: Just want to make sure i am diong it the right way

[Next time, please don't quote yourself three times. Its enough grounds for an infraction!]

Wesley
19-10-2012, 10:21 PM
For overclocking the i5-2400, you have to go into the motherboard's BIOS, turn off Turbo Boost, leave EIST on and look for the multiplier option. Change it to 34x, 36x or 39x, giving you 3.4GHz, 3.6GHz and 3.9GHz. You may need to make some minor voltage adjustments for stability (if you can even set a 39x multiplier) and you can check out this guy's CPU-Z screenie (http://www.flickr.com/photos/20743929@N02/6787636825/in/photostream/lightbox/) for reference as to what settings he's using to reach 3.6GHz. Looks like reference voltages and a 36x multiplier, which is easily within your reach. To get a better overclock, disable the integrated GPU but remember that you'll have to reset the BIOS to get it back on if your HD7770 fails in future for whatever reason.

As for the GPU, I recommend using the overclocking options in AMD's Catalyst control center:

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CCC11.10-overdrive.jpg

You check the box to enable AMD Overdrive and push the sliders up as far as they will go. You can test your overclocks with the free edition of 3DMark Vantage for DX10 (http://www.3dmark.com/3dmarkvantage) to see if the test fails, the card overheats and shuts down, or if there are any artifacts being shown while the benchmark is running. If there are, bump core and memory clocks down by 10MHz at a time until you get a stable overclock.

If you find that you've reached the limits of the driver's settings and have complete stability in the benchmark, you can use EVGA's Precision software (http://www.evga.com/precision/) to tune it even further if you'd like to see how far you can go. Its the same moving sliders up scenario, only this time you'll be closer to the card's actual limits so you'll have to increase things at 10MHz a time. Don't enable manual fan control unless you find that the fan's speed profile doesn't max itself out to keep temperatures down while overclocked and running a benchmark or game.

Turok_sa
19-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Thanks alot 1 last thing will overclocking decrease the life span off my cpu and gpu will it give problems and is it worth it to overclock for gaming

Wesley
19-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Well overclocking will induce some stress on your components, but you're looking at about five years out of them so long as the fans still work, electricity spikes don't kill everything and Murphy doesn't come knocking on your door with his stupid law. Most people change their components or replace them altogether by their third year of ownership, so overclocking won't affect the GPU/CPU's useable lifespan. I've owned my stuff for two years with some minor overclocks for kicks and everything's still perfect - next year I'll be getting a new PSU and cooler and going as high as I can for some extra performance.

As for whether its worth it, it depends on the game and what kind of performance you're getting. If an overclocked GPU nets you at least ten to fifteen more frames per second in a GPU-bound game, then its worth it from a performance point of view. If its a CPU-bound game like Skyrim or Starcraft, overclocking the CPU will make a difference, but its not always a noticeable one, especially given that you're using a low-end GPU, so your speed boosts might only number in the single digits.

Power consumption and heat will exponentially increase, but you're not going into extreme settings, if ever, so you shouldn't have heat issues at all.

Turok_sa
22-10-2012, 06:47 PM
Hi

Ok so my list of parts changed for my gaming rig and media center

Gaming rig:

Mobo:ASRock z77 pro 3
Cpu:i5 2400
Gpu:Gigabyte HD7850 2GB 256bit
Ram:G.Skill Sniper 8Gb 12800CL9D
Psu:Cooler master GX 750watt
HDD:3x1.5T
Fan:2x120mm in chassis, Cooler master V6 GT cpu cooler

Media center:
Mobo:Gigabyte Z68 AP-D3
Cpu:i3 3220
Gpu:Club 3D HD7770
Ram:Kingston hyper z 4Gb
Psu:Cooler master GX 550watt
HDD: 1x 2T, 2x 1.5T
Fan:3x140mm in chassis, cooler master 120mm cpu fan

Do i still lower voltage on cpu for media center and is the gpu ok like it is

What do i do with the gaming rig is it ok like it is and is it a great gaming rig or low end

Wesley
22-10-2012, 10:21 PM
Both are great rigs and perfectly suited to their purpose. On second thought, forget about the undervolting and see how things go first. Make sure you get your download coupons for Far Cry 3 and 20% off MOH: Warfighter when you get your HD7850.

Turok_sa
22-10-2012, 10:26 PM
download coupons for Far Cry 3 and 20% off MOH: Warfighter when you get your HD7850.

Awesome thats gonna help the wallet

Wesley
24-10-2012, 11:51 AM
System Builder's Guide: October R13,000 to R18,000


Part of the problem in my high-end builds is that I've had too much choice and too many variables to make lists of what's arguably the best setup for any gamer. At this point I know I'm looking like an Intel fanboy because of my recommendations, but that's honestly down to AMD's lackluster performance until recently. In my next season of the desktop builds you can expect a good mix-up of component choices, given that the recently launched FX-8350 offers compelling performance for those buyers in the Core i5 range - enough performance, one might say, to persuade those who were thinking about a Core i7-3770K to the red camp instead. But that's in December - lets look at the final episode of the guide this month! Got money to burn, do you?

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/System-builders-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=29386)

Turok_sa
24-10-2012, 03:45 PM
Well got my hd7850 but no coupons

Wesley
24-10-2012, 03:51 PM
Well got my hd7850 but no coupons

Sned a mail to the place you bought it from asking about it. Otherwise, contact the manufacturer for your card (usually they have a local rep) and ask them if you can get the coupons, seeing as you've bought it after the Catalyst 12.11 release but technically qualify for the free copy of Far Cry 3.

Turok_sa
24-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Sned a mail to the place you bought it from asking about it. Otherwise, contact the manufacturer for your card (usually they have a local rep) and ask them if you can get the coupons, seeing as you've bought it after the Catalyst 12.11 release but technically qualify for the free copy of Far Cry 3.

I bought it @ rebeltech so i wil drop them a email i am also waiting almost a week now for them to send me my mobo,ram ,hdd and cpu
Well its a gigabyte card do you know how to contact the there website have no contact details for south africa
And the hd7850 is working like a dream best gpu i ever bought

Nope rebeltech dont know about such promotion

There is no such promotion here in south africa rebeltech told me

Wesley
25-10-2012, 12:45 PM
Nope rebeltech dont know about such promotion

There is no such promotion here in south africa rebeltech told me

Well, that's a bummer. I at least expected the free copy of Far Cry 3 to be valid.

Griff3n
29-10-2012, 07:28 PM
Ok I am going to return the screen I have in favour for this one over here

LG D2343P (http://www.lg.com/in/led-monitors/lg-D2342P)

It does HD over DVI and HDMI and also has an audio pass through. So I dont need to get an extra thing to split audio out of the HDMI cable from Xbox as the screen can do it for me. Also, I don't need to spend +-R700 to get everything to run through HDMI as it has a DVI-D port. I think this is a much better buy. Also has 3D capabilities but I probably wont use that :D. I am excited.

Wesley
30-10-2012, 01:30 PM
Get the LG, you'll be happier and there's less workarounds and strange stuff required :-)

Spydr
02-11-2012, 10:35 AM
So i finally got my pc yesterday! Took 14 days to get here...silly disgruntled truck driver/post office strikes! That will teach me for trying to get deliveries done during strike season. These were the components i eventually got:

1 ea. GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3H: all-in-one LGA1155, Intel B75, 4x dual cha R885
1 ea. LG GH24NS90, 24x SATA, black, support SecurDisc technology (pass R169
1 ea. Vantec UGT-CR905, internal card reader with 1 USB downstream por R84
1 ea. Intel Core i5 3470, 3.2GHz, LGA1155, Quad Core (with 4 threads), R1,957
1 ea. Team TXD38192M1600HC9DC-V, Vulcan with Red heatsinks, 8GB (2x 4GB) R462
1 ea. Cooler Master GX, 450w (12v: 420w), EPS12V V2.91 + ATX 12V V2.31 R584
1 ea. Cooler Master K350, Mid Tower, Black with Black Interior, No PSU R417
1 ea. Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003, 1TB/1000GB, SATA6G, 7200rpm, 64MB R861

Haven't had a chance to play with it. I'm wondering if the lack of a dedicated graphics card will be a problem if the intention is to stream to ps3 only. That should only require processing power from the cpu right?

Wesley
02-11-2012, 11:03 AM
Most of the video transcoders for streaming to consoles rely on the processor solely, so a lack of a discrete GPU wont be a drawback in this case. Otherwise, good component choice. Put up some pics when youre done with it!

Wesley
06-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Laptop Buyers Guide: November Netbooks to R8000


Welcome to the month of Movember, boys and girls! We're back with another edition of the Laptop Buyers guide and this month is a little special because of one thing: Windows 8. With the local release behind us and new models creeping out from hiding sporting the new OS there's a ton more choice for consumers. Add to that the fact that Windows 8 runs faster and lighter than its predecessor and its a perfect fit for inclusion on Netbooks and tablets. So, lets see what you can get for your money today.

One thing that everyone has to keep in mind is the seriously low cost of Windows 8. Currently you can buy it for R800 at most stores and that's the full version, not merely the upgrade you can purchase off Microsoft's site. Those of you buying a new laptop or desktop still have the R125 upgrade option which really cements the value of the new OS. Its officially now as cheap for Mac owners as it is for PC users to simply upgrade to the new version without breaking the bank. Lets hope Microsoft takes some valuable lessons from this and adjusts pricing in future to make the OS cheaper.

The R125 upgrade is particularly enticing for Netbook users because it means they're no longer saddled with Windows 7 Starter, which I always hated. Where possible and wherever your pocket permits, I'd highly recommend you take the upgrade at the cheaper price.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=29957)

JustJaySA
08-11-2012, 01:02 PM
Hi there I am in need of some help with building a new computer as to wheres the cheapest to buy and what components.
After doing my own research; which involved a lot of checking the NAG system builders guides, this is what I came up with:


ASRock B75M, all-in-one LGA1155, Intel B75, 2x dual channel DDR3 2200, on-board R703
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM, RipjawX with Blue heatsink, 8GB (2x 4GB), DDR3 1600, R529
Cooler Master Elite 240, Mid Tower R250
Antec VP650P, 650w R717
Western Digital Caviar Green WD7500AARX, 750GB R679
Intel Core i5 3570K - R2,404

Total = R5,282 (Inc VAT)

This is all from rebel tech. I can't afford a good graphics card yet, so I am just buying the basics first and I will get one later on.

My questions are, is this a good system ie; components, a good price, and what kind of graphics card in the 2000-3000 budget would compliment the set up nicely?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

tarisma
08-11-2012, 01:11 PM
Hi there I am in need of some help with building a new computer as to wheres the cheapest to buy and what components.
After doing my own research; which involved a lot of checking the NAG system builders guides, this is what I came up with:


ASRock B75M, all-in-one LGA1155, Intel B75, 2x dual channel DDR3 2200, on-board R703
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM, RipjawX with Blue heatsink, 8GB (2x 4GB), DDR3 1600, R529
Cooler Master Elite 240, Mid Tower R250
Antec VP650P, 650w R717
Western Digital Caviar Green WD7500AARX, 750GB R679
Intel Core i5 3570K - R2,404

Total = R5,282 (Inc VAT)

This is all from rebel tech. I can't afford a good graphics card yet, so I am just buying the basics first and I will get one later on.

My questions are, is this a good system ie; components, a good price, and what kind of graphics card in the 2000-3000 budget would compliment the set up nicely?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

All I would change is
RAM for Team TXD38192M1600HC9DC-V, Vulcan with Red heatsinks, 8GB (2x 4GB), @ R461
Intel Core i5 3570, 3.4GHz, LGA1155, Quad Core (with 4 threads) @ R2,177 (you wont be overclocking I assume)
Not sure about the power supply the one I would recommend is currently sold out I have a feeling your current choice is a bit of an overkill.

This should save you a a couple hundred bucks you can put towards your graphics card.

JustJaySA
08-11-2012, 02:52 PM
@Tarisma thanks for the advice; I have changed the processor and RAM in the order, don't know what to do about the power supply though. Would you be able to recommend a good graphics card in the R2000-R3000 range. Maybe a bit more if its necessary. I don't really care about the brand as long as it is powerful and well priced.

Cranky
08-11-2012, 03:03 PM
ok..

firstly if you are not going to overclock ( you cant with that board any way ) drop to a i5 3470 or 3550 . The 3470 vs the 3570 is so minute you wont see it .. literally a 100-200Mhz difference.. In gaming it wont have more than a 1fps effect.

The prices you are getting seems like they are from rebeltech. IF so get the 7870 SOC from gigabyte,,, its R3166 and a special price dropped from R3900 odd.

tarisma
08-11-2012, 03:08 PM
I would get a 7850 off rebeltech but that is me, everyone has their own opinion, you shouldn't rush there may be a price drop coming soon I would suggest you wait for Wesley to comment

Cranky
08-11-2012, 04:35 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=548

enough of a jump to warrant the 7870 price . THen the money he will save dropping the cpu will make up for this ?

tarisma
08-11-2012, 04:50 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=548

enough of a jump to warrant the 7870 price . THen the money he will save dropping the cpu will make up for this ?

you do speak the truth

Wesley
08-11-2012, 05:36 PM
Hi there I am in need of some help with building a new computer as to wheres the cheapest to buy and what components.
After doing my own research; which involved a lot of checking the NAG system builders guides, this is what I came up with:


ASRock B75M, all-in-one LGA1155, Intel B75, 2x dual channel DDR3 2200, on-board R703
G.Skill F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM, RipjawX with Blue heatsink, 8GB (2x 4GB), DDR3 1600, R529
Cooler Master Elite 240, Mid Tower R250
Antec VP650P, 650w R717
Western Digital Caviar Green WD7500AARX, 750GB R679
Intel Core i5 3570K - R2,404

Total = R5,282 (Inc VAT)

This is all from rebel tech. I can't afford a good graphics card yet, so I am just buying the basics first and I will get one later on.

My questions are, is this a good system ie; components, a good price, and what kind of graphics card in the 2000-3000 budget would compliment the set up nicely?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Welcome to the forums dude, hope you stay and feel welcome here. You should introduce yourself in the Newcomers thread (http://www.nag.co.za/forums/showthread.php?10970-HELLO-Official-newcomer-introductions-thread-(Not-for-chatting)) if you're planning to stay. Anyway, to your rig there's not a lot wrong with it and all your components will work nicely. However, two things:

1) The K-series processor you've chosen won't allow you to overclock it because its limited by the BIOS inside the motherboard. For overclocking, a P67, Z68, Z77 or X79 board will be needed.
2) The Elite 240 is a cute case, but it is tiny. If you're going with something like that, you'll be better off also getting a modular PSU because that chassis does not like cable clutter.

This is what I'd go with:

Intel Core i5 3470 @ R1986 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6690)
ASRock B75M @ R703 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=7921) (my god, that's extremely cheap)
Corsair Value Select DDR3-1600 8GB @ R398 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7656)
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ R654 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1274)
Antec One S3 USB 3.0 @ R464 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=5540)
Corsair GS600 600W @ R760 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1765)
Total: R4965

As for the GPU, its a match-up between these two:

Sapphire HD7870 2GB GHz Edition @ R3231 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5312) (I'm told that our batches are unaffected by the problems Sapphire's experiencing in France)
KFA² GTX660 Ti EX OC 2GB @ R3298 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7469)

Its a close race between those two and both will serve you well. I'd personally aim for the HD7870 because of the performance gains seen from the Catalyst 12.11 beta drivers. However, there are far more CUDA-accelerated apps (some of them even free!) out there that can take advantage of your GPU like video transcoders, so if you expect to do a fair amount of that then I'd swing to the green camp if I were you.

On the cheaper side of things:

Sapphire Radeon HD7770 OC 1GB @ R1477 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=4409) (lowest I think anyone can get away with)
MSI Geforce GTX650 OC 1GB @ R1368 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7748)
KFA GTX660 EX OC 2GB @ R2548 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7998)
Sapphire Radeon HD7850 1GB @ R2393 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=7224)
Sapphire Radeon HD7850 2GB @ R2632 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5310)

The cheaper options I'd recommend only if your budget gets strangled a little down the line. The HD7770 is the lowest I'd be comfortable with, but driver updates will eventually bring the GTX650 up to the same level. If you only have about R2500 to spend the GTX660 2GB is your best bet, however I'd really consider stumping up the extra R90-odd for the 2GB version of the HD7850. The 1GB version is only an option if you can't scratch together more than R2400.

I would also list AMD options here but Piledriver-based FX chips won't arrive until the beginning of December, so its still Intel all the way. However, I have seen some videos online of the performance of the A10-5800K (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=7856) with just the APU running Battlefield 3 and I have to say, I'm suitably impressed. Socket FM2 boards haven't landed in stock on online retailers just yet, but I'm willing to bet that pairing the A10-5800K with a mid-range A75 chipset board would be a very potent buy for under R2300. Otherwise, if the new FX processors were available, I'd recommend the FX-8320 and this board with a BIOS update (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=5687). Since it only has front USB 2.0 ports, I'd also choose a cheaper chassis (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=1674) to keep the budget lower.

z-caVy2WVUI

Cranky
08-11-2012, 05:42 PM
Wesley summed it up.

ID like to also reccomend the

Coolermaster K380 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=7562)chassis in that price range

And then the tos up between the gpus.

look at this

Gigabyte 7870 Super Overclocked 2GB @ R3191 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5771)
Innovision 660TI 2GB @ R3166 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7466)

Wesley
08-11-2012, 05:47 PM
I asked the Rebeltech guys about the Gigabyte bundle and they're only expecting stock again much later in the month. Sucks because its such good value. Can't wait until I can upgrade my rig next year ^__^

Wesley
13-11-2012, 03:25 PM
Laptop Buyers Guide: November R10,000 to R13,000


With Windows 8 on track and gaining popularity since its release, this segment in the guide is bound to have changed quite a bit. Last month we saw the cheap Ultrabooks from ASUS encroaching on the territory normally reserved for the cheap laptop segment. With a generally thinner profile and lighter weight, they're becoming the de facto choice for bargain buyers that have realised the DVD drive is becoming redundant, even here in sunny South Africa with our rather slow internet compared to the rest of the world. Remember kids, every recommendation made here today also qualifies for the R125 upgrade to Windows 8 if Windows 7 is pre-installed. So, lets get on with it!

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=30133)

Bke
14-11-2012, 10:14 AM
Sorry to bug you system builder guys, but I figured I should run this past people who are vastly more expert than I could ever hope to be.

I recently saved a bit of cash (about R15,000) and I need a new pc, I intend to use it for both gaming and image rendering programs, such as CAD. Mostly I just need to invest in a computer that will be useable for a while. I wonder if you guys would be willing to help me build the thing?

So far I've come up with this component list:

Asus Maximus V formula R 3,899
Core i7-3770 R 2,918
*2 8GB DDR3-1333 R 1,364
2TB-7200RPM 64MB Cache SATA 3 (Seagate) Barracuda R 1,040
10x Blu-Ray/DVD Writer SATA R 910
NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX550 / NVIDIA Quadro 600 1.0GB Graphics R 1,328 or R 2,164
700W ATX Power Supply- Huntkey APFC R 853
R 12,312 or R 13,112


I want to try and keep the motherboard and processor as is, mainly because I would like to keep those as high spec as possible. I don't intend to overclock at all so the bare essentials for the processor is all I wanted.

I would like to keep the cost to around R13000, but I am prepared to spend the full R15,000. My main issue is trying to figure out if the ram is compatable with the motherboard. Everything I've read says it should be but I'm not 100% sure. The blue ray writer isn't important either and I'll probably swap that out but I figured since it cost so little I may as well add it.

Most of the components I intend to purchase from PCI. (http://www.pcint.co.za/components.php) some of you know the site, the motherboard I can only find at matrix unfortunatly.

I already own cases and monitors, I'm just trying to get the tower sorted out.

Thanks in advance, guys.

Cranky
14-11-2012, 12:17 PM
ok

Ill look at rebuilding your pc now you need to change the board ( no need for a 3K board ) better PSU and no SSD? Surely you can fit that. Ram needs to be 1800Mhz minimum and you dont want to OC now but spend extra R100 for the K any way as the future you will see benefits in OC ing, And a 550TI with a 15 K Budget ?

Something is very wrong here .

Wesley
14-11-2012, 01:11 PM
I recently saved a bit of cash (about R15,000) and I need a new pc, I intend to use it for both gaming and image rendering programs, such as CAD. Mostly I just need to invest in a computer that will be useable for a while. I wonder if you guys would be willing to help me build the thing?

Fifteen grand? Holy guacamole. Lets see what I can do...

ASUS P8Z77 V-LX @ R1708
Intel Core i7 3770K @ R3410
Corsair/Kingston DDR3-1600 4GB x2 @ R608
ASUS Radeon HD7850 2GB DDR5 @ R2620
OCZ Agility 3 240GB @ R2210
Blu-Ray Drive @ R910
Huntkey X7-900 @ R1309

Total: R12,775

CAD usually works with most mainstream GPUs and mostly has a reliance on the amount of memory you have installed as well as how many threads your CPU can address. This is what I'd build as an all-round workhorse. What's the reason from only buying from PC International? There are online retailers that are cheaper and have a greater product selection, for example:

Intel Xeon E3-1230 @ R2616 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=4174)
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX @ R1923 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19&products_id=6091)
Corsair ValueSelect 8GB DDR3-1600 @ R402 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=7656)
Sapphire Radeon HD7870 2GB @ R3262 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5312) or KFA² Geforce GTX660 Ti 2GB EX OC @ R3298 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=7469)
ADATA SP900 256GB SSD @ R2174 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=5786)
Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB @ R1051 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=26&products_id=1289)
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD-RW @ R204 (www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28&products_id=1428)
be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM 730W @ R846 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=7899)
Total: R12478

You can also swap out the Xeon for the vanilla Core i7-3770 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=6043) if you'd like the higher clock speed, but you won't see a huge difference between the two processors.

Cranky
14-11-2012, 02:54 PM
well nothing to do here. HAve a Bells Wesley.

Id still swap out the PSU of the first rig with a

be quiet! straight power 680 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=7897)


and OP add a 1K vertex 4 or adata gold 128GB SSD . :D
and

Wesley
14-11-2012, 03:46 PM
Id still swap out the PSU of the first rig with a

be quiet! straight power 680 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=7897)

I saw the 1000W version at rAge and reviews online have been great (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQuiet/DarkPowerProP10_1000W/3.html). be quiet! is really going to give CWT and other Seasonic-based brands a run for their money. They'll be in my desktop builders guide as well.

Oh and heads-up everyone: stock of FM2 boards, Trinity and Piledriver FX processors has landed. I'm seeing most online retailers list products as in stock today.

tarisma
14-11-2012, 03:54 PM
Just grabbed myself http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21&products_id=8007 quite interested to see this it in action

Bke
14-11-2012, 04:23 PM
Thanks for the replies g too uys! Wesley, you gave me a far better idea of what to do than what I could have managed on my own.

As to the money, well gaming taught me how to save up so that's why I'm so wealthy... for now.

Again, thanks so much guys, that was freaking awesome!

Wesley
20-11-2012, 03:29 PM
Laptop Buyers Guide: November R15,000 to R21,000


Welcome back, boys and girls, to the last of the Laptop Buyers Guides this year. This is where the range tops out. Beyond R21,000, there's not much sense in spending more because you'll only get increased heat and not much of a bargain in the end. Sure, an Alienware M18X might push 1080p resolutions with everything on Ultra for R35,000, but that's insane money for the average Joe - regular people would put that into repairs for their car or repayments for their house bond or the Bioshock Songbird Edition (or every single Collector's Edition for the next twenty years). But with a cap of R21,000, we'll enter the realm of sensibility. Lets see what can be fit into your budget.

http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Laptop-buyers-guides-600-x-272.jpg

Linky (http://www.nag.co.za/?p=30378)

=GSG=Shadowstep
22-11-2012, 08:20 AM
Hey, this question might be a little off the topic. However how does the nag team decide if a reseller is legit enough for people to buy from. Have you guys put orders through them before or have just done some background research on the seller of laptops and systems.

jhl
22-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Hi guys... Would it help to let my 9800gt run physx when I get an HD 7850? And what psu would you recommend for that?

Thanks a lot :D

Wesley
23-11-2012, 12:24 PM
Hey, this question might be a little off the topic. However how does the nag team decide if a reseller is legit enough for people to buy from. Have you guys put orders through them before or have just done some background research on the seller of laptops and systems.

I believe I answered your question in the comments section on the NAG site, so I'm not going to repost it here :)


Hi guys... Would it help to let my 9800gt run physx when I get an HD 7850? And what psu would you recommend for that?

Thanks a lot :D

It depends on the processor you're using. A dedicated Physx card may come in handy in games that you play with the Radeon that allow you to turn Physx on, because the Nvidia API then uses the processor for all the calculations. This was the primary reason why early on in the Physx game systems without an Nvidia card would grind to a halt if they weren't quad-cores, primarily because the processors couldn't handle the extra load back then.

If you want to use both cards, I'd recommend this as a starting point:

Corsair GS600W @ R767 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1765)

Its the baseline option and I'd recommend underclocking the 9800GT if you choose to go that route, since Physx calculations don't need a very strong GPU. The GS600 is also very suitable for a single-card system, but if you're looking to upgrade your PSU anyway...

be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM 530W @ R684 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=7900) or
Cooler Master GX 450W @ R585 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1792)

jhl
24-11-2012, 12:24 PM
It depends on the processor you're using. A dedicated Physx card may come in handy in games that you play with the Radeon that allow you to turn Physx on, because the Nvidia API then uses the processor for all the calculations. This was the primary reason why early on in the Physx game systems without an Nvidia card would grind to a halt if they weren't quad-cores, primarily because the processors couldn't handle the extra load back then.

Interesting... Thanks. I have an i7 2600 so it should be fine... That psu sounds like plan too. The blue fan will match my NZXT Phantom's fan :D yay

Sylar_dl
25-11-2012, 10:22 AM
Hi does anyone know what memory frequencies this CPU http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5770 supports, the motherboard supports all but mentions that I must check what the CPU supports which I couldnt find on AMDs website, I'm hoping to use 1333Mhz or 1600Mhz memory will this be possible

D34thByCh01c3
25-11-2012, 11:37 AM
Hi does anyone know what memory frequencies this CPU http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5770 supports, the motherboard supports all but mentions that I must check what the CPU supports which I couldnt find on AMDs website, I'm hoping to use 1333Mhz or 1600Mhz memory will this be possible

That's a graphics card :/

Sylar_dl
25-11-2012, 05:13 PM
That's a graphics card :/

Oppps that's a bit of typo lol, here's the right link
www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=4205

D34thByCh01c3
25-11-2012, 05:20 PM
Oppps that's a bit of typo lol, here's the right link
www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=4205

It says it has a built-in DDR3-1833MHz controller, so presumably it supports up to 1833MHz DDR3 RAM. So 1333MHz and 1600MHz RAM will work fine.

Sylar_dl
25-11-2012, 06:22 PM
It says it has a built-in DDR3-1833MHz controller, so presumably it supports up to 1833MHz DDR3 RAM. So 1333MHz and 1600MHz RAM will work fine.

Awesome, this forum needs thank you buttons, but since they don't a thank you will have to do.

D34thByCh01c3
25-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Awesome, this forum needs thank you buttons, but since they don't a thank you will have to do.

cool, just as matter of interest, which mobo are you getting?

Sylar_dl
25-11-2012, 10:31 PM
cool, just as matter of interest, which mobo are you getting?

I'm busy doing it as a quote for a new graphics pc for work and this is a medium budget build so if i remember it gonna be for this quote a ASRock 990FX extrem3, i haven't yet done the expensive and low budget quotes yet

Wesley
25-11-2012, 11:02 PM
Hi does anyone know what memory frequencies this CPU http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=5770 supports, the motherboard supports all but mentions that I must check what the CPU supports which I couldnt find on AMDs website, I'm hoping to use 1333Mhz or 1600Mhz memory will this be possible

It'll support everything from DDR3-800 all the way to DDR3-2400 (unofficially), its a very flexible processor. It also depends largely on your motherboard as some have official support for a particular speed but stumble on their way to get there. Your choice of the 990FX is a good one, though.

Sylar_dl
26-11-2012, 05:47 PM
Hi can anyone comment on these psu are the value for money or will i not get the performance that they say they give out, meaning for that price not possible. www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=5675, www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=5439, www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=3621, www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1817

Wesley
26-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Either the Thermaltake 650W or the GX Lite will work, although I'm a bigger fan of Antec's build quality. Don't discount Gigabyte's new PoweRock family, those are looking pretty good as well. I would really recommend you look at these instead:

Corsair GS600 600W @ R767 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1765) or even
Cooler Master GX 550W @ R772 (http://www.rebeltech.co.za/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=1793)

Corsair is arguably the better of the two, but the GX has a longer warranty. Your choice.