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  1. #1

    Default Unnofficial DotA tournament

    Hi Everyone.
    Official Website for Registration and more info: http://dota-comp.sytes.net
    I’ll be hosting the Unofficial Dota Tournament at The NAG LAN @ RAGE 2010
    I’ll only be hosting a 5v5/clan Tournament; interest in the 1v1 is too low to justify management.
    The Tournament will be taking place on Saturday. The time will be finalized later.

    An Entry Fee of R20 per Person (R100 per Clan) will be charged. This Money is going straight to the pot.
    The nice people @ NAG has kindly let me know I'm not allowed to make any money out of this ;)

    The Prizes are:
    1rst Place: 60% of the pot.
    2nd Place: 40% of the pot.
    I’m currently looking for a sponsor will let you guys know as soon as I do.

    Tournament Moderators
    Myself
    Unforgiv3n
    SneekShot

    The Game Rules
    The rules will be finalized later; they are still open for discussion.

    General
    Competition Format: 5v5 Teams
    Tournament Format: Double Elimination

    Winning Conditions: 1. The Tree or Throne has been destroyed
    2. All Players from a team Forfeits.
    3. Time Limit of 50 Minutes (Team with highest points win)

    To forfeit you have to type ff or -ff, in ALL CHAT. No team forfeit can be accepted before 15 minutes game time. If you forfeit before 15 minute it will count but your team won't be allowed to forfeit prior this time. After you have forfeited, you will not able to un-forfeit (to cancel your forfeit).

    Points will be determined as follows:
    Hero kills = 1 point per kill
    Towers destroyed = 5 points per tower
    Rax taken = 10 points per Full Rax (meaning both buildings in a lane)/5 points per half Rax(one building)

    Game Settings
    Warcraft Version: 1.24
    Dota Map Version: 6.67c (Latest Stable Map)
    Drafting Mode: Captains Mode (-cm)
    Hero Restrictions: None
    Item Restrictions: 2 Necronomicons per team, 2 guinsoo/euls per team
    Coin Toss
    Winner selects Sentinel/Scourge Side

    Important Rules
    Breaking any rules may result in a default loss!
    Repeat offences may result in your clan being banned from the tourney

    1. Team that plays sentinel will host the game
    2. Team members are not allowed to change seats once the DOTA map has started to load.
    3. On match time you have to wait 15 minutes for your opponent.
    3.1 If one team is not complete (that means 4 or less players) the other team may claim the win. But they`re also allowed to play 5 vs. 4 or any with any other number if both teams agree.
    3.2 If a team is not complete after 15 minutes from the arranged match date/time, the other team may complain for a default win.

    4. Pauses are allowed, but a maximum of two pauses, each 5 minutes, per team. If you cannot agree for longer pauses the game must be resumed after 5 minutes, before pausing and un-pausing you need to inform your enemy and the game mod about this, so you don`t get any advantage.

    5. If a disconnect occurs before firstblood and the game time is still under 5 minutes, the game must be remade.

    5.1 Maximum of two remakes per team.

    5.2 There is no need to restart game if a disconnect occurs after 10 minutes or after the firstblood has been taken. You can do it if both teams agree. You can save the game from time to time and use it to re-host the game if the save was not too long ago, but it`s not binding.

    5.3 If one hero disconnects and there is no remake, you are allowed to:
    * Use the hero and his items.

    * Sell all items from the hero. You are not allowed to take the items and sell them, or take the items and use them! This rule means that you can teamsell the items and still use the leaver.

    5.4 After a remake the players have to pick the same heroes and items and have to take the same lanes. After the first creep contact everyone is allowed to change his lane.

    6. If there is any issue between rules, the Tournament Organizers Word is Law

    Known bugs and restrictions

    1. Bug using may result in a default loss

    2. Item sharing is strictly forbidden. The following items are the only exceptions and they may not be used to make any form of recipe. Items which may be shared are as follows: Bottle, Clarity Potion, Animal Courier, Tango of Essifation, Observer Wards, Sentry Wards, Scroll of Town Portal, Flask of Sapphire Water, Gem of Truesight, Cheese, Ring of Health, Ring of Regeneration, Void Stone, Sobi Mask and Perservence. Remember that you may not make any recipes (e.g. if a void stone and a ring of health combine to form perseverance this must be undone by clicking upon it or using the circle of power immediately.

    3. Completely closing an entrance to a base using the Earthshaker’s Fissure spell is forbidden.

    4. You are not allowed to block creeps with the use of spells such as Fissure, Sprout etc. You may only block creeps by physically intercepting them with your hero model only. Spells which completely kills your own creeps such as Dark Pact or Conversion are allowed to use as you wish.

    THANKS
    GeometriX for helping me with forum issues and some other queries I have.
    Unforgiv3n for volunteering to help and for giving some rules I missed.
    SneekShot for volunteering to help.
    Lauren Das Neves for handling my sponsorship queries
    Last edited by josefvz; 27-09-2010 at 12:28 PM. Reason: Putting all da info in one place

  2. #2

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    A buddy of mine ran the informal comp last year, he charged R20 per person (R100 for the clan), where the top-three teams shared a percentage of the pot.

    Let me know if there's anything I can help with, really hope this comp happens.

  3. #3

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    If you can get prizes setup without a high reg or so people will play and management will probably not complain.

  4. #4

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    Hi all.
    Thanks to GeometriX for setting up this thread!

    I'm currently looking into what the joining fee will be( if any).
    I'm also looking at the possibility of a sponsor! ( anyone interested PM Me plz)

    It looks like two separate comps will need to be created depending on interest.
    A 1v1 comp and a 5v5/clan comp.

    If anyone is interested in joining please let me know so that i can get an idea of what the interest is like
    Last edited by josefvz; 13-09-2010 at 10:00 AM. Reason: spelling fix ;)

  5. #5

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    The Comp will be taking place on Saturday, I will just tie up with the other comp guys that it doesn't conflict with other tournaments.

    Righto. The Entry Fee Is going to be R20pp (R100 per clan)
    The Entry fee is going straight into the pot. The nice ppl @ NAG has kindly let me known I'm not allowed to make any money out of this ;)
    The top 3 teams would share the pot like this:
    1rst Place : 50%
    2nd Place : 35%
    3rd Place : 15%

    So the more teams we have the bigger the pot!

    I'm also posting the rules here for the clan matches. Some feedback would be appreciated, also i need about two ppl to assist me with moderating the games on D-Day. (PM me if interested)
    DA RULEZ:

    General
    Competition Format: 5v5 Teams
    Match Format: Best Of one game

    Winning Conditions: 1. The Tree or Throne has been destroyed.
    2. All Players from a team Forfeits.

    To forfeit you have to type ff or -ff, in ALL CHAT. No team forfeit can be accepted before 15 minutes game time. If you forfeit before 15 minute it will count but your team won't be allowed to forfeit prior this time. After you have forfeited, you will not able to un-forfeit (to cancel your forfeit).

    Game Settings
    Warcraft Version: 1.24
    Dota Map Version: 6.67c (Latest Stable Map)
    Drafting Mode: Captains Mode (-cm)
    Hero Restrictions: None
    Item Restrictions: None

    Coin Toss
    Winner selects Sentinel/Scourge Side
    Loser selects First/Second Pick during draft

    Important Rules
    1. Team that plays sentinel will host the game.
    2. Team members are not allowed to change seats once the DOTA map has started to load.
    3. On match time you have to wait 15 minutes for your opponent.
    3.1 If one team is not complete (that means 4 or less players) the other team may claim the win. But they`re also allowed to play 5 vs. 4 or any with any other number if both teams agree.
    3.2 If a team is not complete after 15 minutes from the arranged match date/time, the other team may complain for a default win.

    4. Pauses are allowed, but a maximum of two pauses, each 5 minutes, per team. If you cannot agree for longer pauses the game must be resumed after 5 minutes, before pausing and un-pausing you need to inform your enemy and the game mod about this, so you don`t get any advantage.

    5. If a disconnect occurs before firstblood and the game time is still under 5 minutes, the game must be remade.

    5.1 Maximum of two remakes per team.

    5.2 There is no need to restart game if a disconnect occurs after 10 minutes or after the firstblood has been taken. You can do it if both teams agree. You can save the game from time to time and use it to rehost the game if the save was not too long ago, but it`s not binding.

    5.3 If one hero disconnects and there is no remake, you are allowed to:
    * Use the hero and his items.

    * Sell all items from the hero. You are not allowed to take the items and sell them, or take the items and use them! This rule means that you can teamsell the items and still use the leaver.

    5.4 After a remake the players have to pick the same heroes and items and have to take the same lanes. After the first creep contact everyone is allowed to change his lane.

    Known bugs and restrictions
    1. Bug using may result in a default loss.

    2. No Backdooring except on already deniable buildings. Backdooring is defined by attacking a tower which is out of range to attack your creeps OR attacking a non-tower building with creeps fighting out of the range of the ranged creeps (Necromancer, Meat Wagon, Ballista or Druid of the Talon). If your teams creeps are in the enemy base you are allowed to enter the enemy base with your heroes and attack anything you like but only if you enter the base from the same lane(s) as the allied creeps you have in the enemy base when you do it. You may continue all of your actions in the enemy base for as long as you want – even after all your creeps are dead.
    2.1 It is always allowed to attack a deniable tower even without creep support.
    3. A maximum of two Necronomicons are allowed per team.

    4. Item sharing is strictly forbidden. The following items are the only exceptions and they may not be used to make any form of recipe. Items which may be shared are as follows: Bottle, Clarity Potion, Animal Courier, Tango of Essifation, Observer Wards, Sentry Wards, Scroll of Town Portal, Flask of Sapphire Water, Gem of Truesight, Cheese, Ring of Health, Ring of Regeneration, Void Stone, Sobi Mask and Perservence. Remember that you may not make any recipes (e.g. if a void stone and a ring of health combine to form perseverance this must be undone by clicking upon it or using the circle of power immediately.


    5. Completely closing an entrance to a base using the Earthshaker’s Fissure spell is forbidden.

    6. You are not allowed to block creeps with the use of spells such as Fissure, Sprout etc. You may only block creeps by physically intercepting them with your hero model only. Spells which completely kills your own creeps such as Dark Pact or Conversion are allowed to use as you wish.

    7. If there is any issues between rules, the Tournament Organizers Word is Law
    Last edited by josefvz; 13-09-2010 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Updated Map version

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by josefvz View Post

    Winning Conditions: 1. The Tree or Throne has been destroyed.
    2. All Players from a team Forfeits.


    To forfeit you have to type ff or -ff, in ALL CHAT. No team forfeit can be accepted before 15 minutes game time. If you forfeit before 15 minute it will count but your team won't be allowed to forfeit prior this time. After you have forfeited, you will not able to un-forfeit (to cancel your forfeit).

    Game Settings
    Warcraft Version: 1.24
    Dota Map Version: 6.67c (Latest Stable Map)
    Drafting Mode: Captains Mode (-cm)
    Hero Restrictions: None
    Item Restrictions: None

    Coin Toss
    Winner selects Sentinel/Scourge Side
    Loser selects First/Second Pick during draft

    Important Rules
    1. Team that plays sentinel will host the game.
    2. Team members are not allowed to change seats once the DOTA map has started to load.
    3. On match time you have to wait 15 minutes for your opponent.
    3.1 If one team is not complete (that means 4 or less players) the other team may claim the win. But they`re also allowed to play 5 vs. 4 or any with any other number if both teams agree.
    3.2 If a team is not complete after 15 minutes from the arranged match date/time, the other team may complain for a default win.

    4. Pauses are allowed, but a maximum of two pauses, each 5 minutes, per team. If you cannot agree for longer pauses the game must be resumed after 5 minutes, before pausing and un-pausing you need to inform your enemy and the game mod about this, so you don`t get any advantage.

    5. If a disconnect occurs before firstblood and the game time is still under 5 minutes, the game must be remade.

    5.1 Maximum of two remakes per team.

    5.2 There is no need to restart game if a disconnect occurs after 10 minutes or after the firstblood has been taken. You can do it if both teams agree. You can save the game from time to time and use it to rehost the game if the save was not too long ago, but it`s not binding.

    5.3 If one hero disconnects and there is no remake, you are allowed to:
    * Use the hero and his items.

    * Sell all items from the hero. You are not allowed to take the items and sell them, or take the items and use them! This rule means that you can teamsell the items and still use the leaver.

    5.4 After a remake the players have to pick the same heroes and items and have to take the same lanes. After the first creep contact everyone is allowed to change his lane.

    Known bugs and restrictions
    1. Bug using may result in a default loss.

    2. No Backdooring except on already deniable buildings. Backdooring is defined by attacking a tower which is out of range to attack your creeps OR attacking a non-tower building with creeps fighting out of the range of the ranged creeps (Necromancer, Meat Wagon, Ballista or Druid of the Talon). If your teams creeps are in the enemy base you are allowed to enter the enemy base with your heroes and attack anything you like but only if you enter the base from the same lane(s) as the allied creeps you have in the enemy base when you do it. You may continue all of your actions in the enemy base for as long as you want ? even after all your creeps are dead.
    2.1 It is always allowed to attack a deniable tower even without creep support.
    3. A maximum of two Necronomicons are allowed per team.

    4. Item sharing is strictly forbidden. The following items are the only exceptions and they may not be used to make any form of recipe. Items which may be shared are as follows: Bottle, Clarity Potion, Animal Courier, Tango of Essifation, Observer Wards, Sentry Wards, Scroll of Town Portal, Flask of Sapphire Water, Gem of Truesight, Cheese, Ring of Health, Ring of Regeneration, Void Stone, Sobi Mask and Perservence. Remember that you may not make any recipes (e.g. if a void stone and a ring of health combine to form perseverance this must be undone by clicking upon it or using the circle of power immediately.


    5. Completely closing an entrance to a base using the Earthshaker?s Fissure spell is forbidden.

    6. You are not allowed to block creeps with the use of spells such as Fissure, Sprout etc. You may only block creeps by physically intercepting them with your hero model only. Spells which completely kills your own creeps such as Dark Pact or Conversion are allowed to use as you wish.

    7. If there is any issues between rules, the Tournament Organizers Word is Law
    Hi josef i looked at the rules and there is a few missing.

    the winning rules lack the highest points after 50 mins.
    all games should only be 50 mins long after that the replay should be viewed and points should be calculated as follows:

    Hero kills = 1 point per kill
    Towers destroyed = 5 points per tower
    rax taken = 10 points per full rax(meaning both buildings in a lane)/5 points per half rax(one building)

    and the game should start by a coin toss,the winner selects the side he wants to play.
    -cm mode automatically selects who picks first.

    o and the rule of creep skipping is also missing ?

  7. #7

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    o and i would gladly help hosting this tournament because it might be the last dota tournament.

    so count me in

  8. #8

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    Thanks to SneekShot for also volunteering to mod!

  9. #9

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    Since it's going to be single-elim, I'm not too keen for the 50 minute time-limit rule - games don't run as long as they once used to.

  10. #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoN View Post
    Since it's going to be single-elim, I'm not too keen for the 50 minute time-limit rule - games don't run as long as they once used to.
    Quote Originally Posted by josefvz View Post
    Tournament Format: Double Elimination
    It's Double Elimination. And unfortunately time constraints need to be in place as the competition cannot go on forever.

  11. #11

    Default Re: Unnofficial DotA tournament

    From the looks of the "rules" you have posted you have probably never host nor played in any sort of competitive dota. So let me help you out...

    2. No Backdooring

    3. A maximum of two Necronomicons are allowed per team.

    Those rules do not exist in competitive dota and only truly retarded people would implement them.

    Another point: round robin group stages leading to single elim knock out stages would make the tournament a lot faster and would allow for more time each round. double elim really eats up time especially for the losers bracket winners. Perhaps a best of 3 could be used for the finals bt single elim for the 2nd half of the tourney following group stages is imo the best layout.

    Lastly: 15% for 3rd place is gonna end up being literally petty change. you can probably expect ~12 teams so it will perhaps be more worthwhile having 60/40 split

  12. #12

    Default Re: Unnofficial DotA tournament

    Quote Originally Posted by josefvz View Post
    It's Double Elimination.
    Oh, didn't see the change.

    Totally agree with Wraekt about the two rules he mentioned, since the latest stable map takes care of backdooring - and international tournaments don't have item restrictions (not sure about the 2x guinsoo/euls rule though). >_>

    Having played in the unofficial DotA comp last year, I can tell you 1st hand that playing through the losers bracket of the double-elim saw us jamming the entirety of Saturday night (but it was worth it, rather than restricting games to 50-mins). That's my opinion, and I'll stand by it - but ofc I'll accept the decision stated in the final rule-set.

  13. #13

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    Thanks for the feedback guys.
    Double Elimination is the tried and trusted way to host a tournament and it gives a fair chance to all teams. Yes it does take long but in the end it stays the fairest/ most balanced way.

    The time limit can be discussed and I’ll consider removing it completely, but that means that the comp will run longer and will clash with other comps that are running. That would probably be needed to be sorted out @ game day if there is a clan that is playing in another comp.

    Item restrictions are being put in:
    2 Necronomicons per team -This stays.
    2 guinsoo/euls per team - meaning you could either have one guinsoo and one euls or two euls/guinsoo

    The Backdooring rule can be removed; it is sorted out in the map itself

    The prizes are not finalized yet, but 15% is probably going to be small, so the 60/40 split would be better

    Rules Change log:
    Added banning rule
    Removed backdoor rule
    Added item restrictions

  14. #14

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    Hi all.
    Due to some unforeseen circumstances the rules will not be finalized before the start of rage.
    I have some organizing to do that i can only do at rage to make sure there aren't any multiple dota comps running. However don't fear. You will have a Comp and there will be official rules for you before you start.
    I don't know where i will be sitting so you can give me a call when your looking for me: 0828281837
    Wising everyone the best of luck, have a great rage weekend.

  15. #15

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    Official Website for Registration and more info: http://dota-comp.sytes.net

  16. #16

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    Thanks for hosting the comp guyz, had a blast.

    Here's a link to my feedback post of the comp... --> Link <--

  17. #17

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    Hey all the comp was a nice success. Will do it again next year!
    Congrats to Clan Ducore who totally dominated their competition.
    tank.H finished second.
    J4F got third place.

  18. #18

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    Yeah congrats to all the teams who got prices and thanks for the other teams for there effort to.

    will host it next year again. so if you want to help or offer help with the prices please contact me at christowessels@gmail.com

    congrats to clan DUCORE for having a 6 out of 6 winning streak.

    tank.H for winning second price and J4F for 3rd price

    hope to see you there next year again.

  19. #19

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    is it possible i can have a vote for next years rage.

    who would prefer a hon tournie and who would prefer a dota tournie?

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