The Avengers [FILM . . . OMG!]

[-Bouncer-]

^^ Haha ya saw that as well. Although how awesome would it be if Nick Fury showed up at the end of the new Spider Man movie? I know that won't happen but hey....

[zolmaster]

As much as I love this movie, I have an issue with the story that no one seems to be able to answer:

When he says the line I'm always angry that implies Banner is actually in full control of the Hulk transformation, which is why he never transformed in other stressful situations. So then why does he Hulk out on the air fortress if he has control over when the Hulk makes an appearance?

[MonGooS]

Maybe he is only partially in control? He might have the control to transform at will, but not the control to STOP himself from transforming if made overly angry? Just a theory.

Relevant to this. Avengers on Escapist.

This video is pretty much exactly how I see Avengers. All his + points and even his nit picks are all spot on for me.

[KalMaverick]

As much as I love this movie, I have an issue with the story that no one seems to be able to answer:

When he says the line I'm always angry that implies Banner is actually in full control of the Hulk transformation, which is why he never transformed in other stressful situations. So then why does he Hulk out on the air fortress if he has control over when the Hulk makes an appearance?

I think that there was an explosion or something wasn't there? So he was probably hurt and confused, probably lost his concentration on always being angry and that's why he transformed.

[GeometriX]

I think that there was an explosion or something wasn't there? So he was probably hurt and confused, probably lost his concentration on always being angry and that's why he transformed.

Loki was casting his voodoo on everyone from the second he got there, especially Banner. The explosion was just the final nudge he needed to get the big guy to break out

[Squirly]

Just watched this last night and holy **** was it fun. I'm amazed at how they didn't make this movie feel cramped or rushed. Often if you put to big an ensemble cast together some character always suffer, which is why it's usually reserved for TV. But this ****ing worked. Yes, some characters got a bit more screen time than others but on the whole I didn't feel like one of them was left out or anything. Whedon did an awesome thing here. I also like his ideas for the sequel which basically go against the (retarded) hollywood mentality of "bigger, more, crazier" and instead just takes what we have and focuses on it in more depth. Can't wait for what they'll do with this in the future.

[Sir-Ominous]

I jumped when I saw this. Okay, but it's not to say that it wasn't expected.

[Cleric]

Loki was casting his voodoo on everyone from the second he got there, especially Banner. The explosion was just the final nudge he needed to get the big guy to break out

Thank you! Finally an explanation I can get behind after much questioning.

[pArkEr]

As much as I love this movie, I have an issue with the story that no one seems to be able to answer:

When he says the line I'm always angry that implies Banner is actually in full control of the Hulk transformation, which is why he never transformed in other stressful situations. So then why does he Hulk out on the air fortress if he has control over when the Hulk makes an appearance?

That's the thing, when he was on the air fortress he had completely lost control, so the Hult found it necessary to gain back this control, mainly by destroying everything in his path.

[KalMaverick]

Loki was casting his voodoo on everyone from the second he got there, especially Banner. The explosion was just the final nudge he needed to get the big guy to break out

Ah yes good point, I forgot about that.

I definitely must go see it again.

[zolmaster]

Loki was casting his voodoo on everyone from the second he got there, especially Banner. The explosion was just the final nudge he needed to get the big guy to break out

Ok, that makes sense.

That's the thing, when he was on the air fortress he had completely lost control, so the Hult found it necessary to gain back this control, mainly by destroying everything in his path.

I'm still a wee bit unhappy with the way it all happily comes together at the end. I know it's a super hero movie and it's pretty simple on plot, but the Hulk still too easily shifts from being "smash everything in sight" to "ok, I'll listen to you guys now". It's like there's 2 hulks and it's not very clear what helps him make the switch. There's hints that the hulk isn't a complete monster, but considering everyone snaps out of Loki's mind manipulation on the ship after the explosion, that would imply his influence over banner/the hulk does as well. But the Hulk still goes ape and starts destroying everything and hurting innocents. There's not enough that happens after he falls from the fortress and crashes into the warehouse to suggest that the Hulk had a change of heart while he was free falling through the sky.

[Toxxyc]

Hulk's never been a mindless destroyer. He is like a dog with a hurt foot, if you don't bother him he'll leave you alone. He's angry, not unconditionally homicidal, otherwise he'd have took Hulk form and destroyed the Earth. Ever seen The Incredible Hulk? He doesn't attack the lady scientist (forgot her name) after the experiment went awry as he remembered her as his wife from his human form (I think, watched it a looong time ago). He attacks that which bothers him, and he obviously was bothered by the invaders more than the innocents fighting alongside him, thus he played nice with the Avengers.

[Jodez]

^Yeah that scene where they show naked Banner talking to the old security guard was supposed to be longer, I read that convo was what helps Banner decide to be more of a hero but they had to cut it for the theatrical version.

[zolmaster]

He doesn't attack the lady scientist (forgot her name) after the experiment went awry as he remembered her as his wife from his human form (I think, watched it a looong time ago). He attacks that which bothers him, and he obviously was bothered by the invaders more than the innocents fighting alongside him, thus he played nice with the Avengers.

So why does he hit Black Widow? And more importantly, why doesn't she die? That's something that they always seemed to cover in the other hulk movies. The hulk never goes after women. In the Avengers that seems to fall away. I can maybe accept that a combination of Loki + explosion + annoying woman telling him to calm down may have tipped him over the edge but they needed to make that clearer.

They also needed to clarify the whole idea that the "Hulk saved Bruce Banner" implying that the Hulk is not so mindless. On one hand, he aims for an empty warehouse to save civilians, but on the other, he goes after the Black Widow and does huge damage to the Shield flying fortress. If the hulk is capable of thought to ensure he spares the life of civilians, and somehow "saves" Bruce Banner, then he should be capable of understanding that the Black Widow is not his enemy.

[Cyberninja]

So why does he hit Black Widow? And more importantly, why doesn't she die? That's something that they always seemed to cover in the other hulk movies. The hulk never goes after women. In the Avengers that seems to fall away. I can maybe accept that a combination of Loki + explosion + annoying woman telling him to calm down may have tipped him over the edge but they needed to make that clearer.

They also needed to clarify the whole idea that the "Hulk saved Bruce Banner" implying that the Hulk is not so mindless. On one hand, he aims for an empty warehouse to save civilians, but on the other, he goes after the Black Widow and does huge damage to the Shield flying fortress. If the hulk is capable of thought to ensure he spares the life of civilians, and somehow "saves" Bruce Banner, then he should be capable of understanding that the Black Widow is not his enemy.

Banner/Hulk was overcome with rage when he transforms. When one gets angry or "snaps", rationality flies out the window. You're caught in a torrent of emotion, which makes it harder to think clearly. That is why he attacked Black Widow and the flying fortress. At that point, he was consumed with anger and rage. As time goes on and the anger subsided, he started regaining his composure and mental faculties. Which is why he was willing to takes orders from Captain America and help the team. At that point, Hulk had regained his composure. Sure, he still smashed the bejeezes out of the villains, but there was thought behind his actions. Rationality had returned. He was more than just a mindless killing machine. That's why he saved Iron-Man.

At the end of the day, The Avengers was a popcorn movie. Solid storytelling is not what these type of movies are about. It's about having fun and being entertained. In that regards, I think Joss Whedon and his team did a stellar job. Would it benefit the movie if the plot and storytelling were more coherent and well-thought-out? Certainly. But I don't think it's always necessary in these types of movies.

[Incognito]

Went to go watch this movie last night with my cousins Iron Man helmet on at Westgate. It was awesome because I wasn't the only one with the idea. There was a Thor and 2 Nick Fury's there :D

[KimmyKae]

Power was out at home, so I got dragged to watch the Avengers again tonight (or last night, since it's past 12 now). Whoever said there are extra scenes after the credits is a damn liar! >_<

Also, I actually managed to hear Hulk say "puny god" this time, since last time the audience was cheering and laughing, so I didn't even know that line was there.

[echo]

Power was out at home, so I got dragged to watch the Avengers again tonight (or last night, since it's past 12 now). Whoever said there are extra scenes after the credits is a damn liar! >_<

Only in the US version. You'll get to see it on the BD.

[Drone]

I'm going to go watch in on Sunday... So sad that I've been putting it off. Must say that you guys psyched me up even more for it. :D

So I don't have to sit through the credits?

[echo]

Wait until the first credit scene, you'll know when you see it, and then you can go.