Official Game of Thrones Series and Book Thread of Fire, Ice, and CURSE YOU MARTIN

[Zoop]

Also, that is pretty stupid reasoning. Its like fooling yourself and saying "I wasn't going to buy X game, so I will just Pirate it instead. But you know... I wasn't going to buy it, really. But I figured since I wasn't going to buy it, you know, id just pirate it and play it anyway... You know..." Its a way of justifying your actions, and its weak. Just admit you pirate it, and get it over with. Or don't admit it, keep it to yourself, and don't try to pretend like you have a "good" reason.

Your DSTV subscription is essentially letting you watch it once. Unless you record it, in which case it is confined to your decoder. If you want to watch it multiple times, on many tv's and give it to all your friends to watch, that is the equivalent of having the DVD. Which is a separate cost even when you have a DSTV subscription.

Mongoos, who appointed you the morality police? It's pathetic. Get off your high horse.

If you have a DSTV subscription, then their channel gets their royalties from you. You're already paying them. After that, it doesn't matter whether you download it to watch again at your leisure. It's shrouded in a legal grey area, but seriously, who gives a ****? I don't.

Now can this please be split off from the GoT S02 thread so that Mongoos can go cry about the eeeevil creeeeminil pirates elsewhere? The argument about pirating TV series is as old as the mountains and it's a pretty tiresome argument at that. I've seen it across the internet countless times already, and each time it plays out the same. In comes the morality police to **** on everyone (weeeeeOOOOOOOweeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOWWWWWWEeeeoOOOOO) , and after all the dust settles again, everyone just keeps downloading episodes for the series.

It might have made for an interesting discussion had Mongoos not come in here twirling his mall-cop baton, cracking down on all those creeeeminils, but that's not gonna happen. He's here to point fingers at 'criminals' and win noddy badges.

[Grimnebulin]

So, anyone else a little disappointed with Theon in the last episode? Not from a plot point of view, but rather in terms of the performance. Alfie wasn't bad by any stretch, and it's a really tough scene to pull off, but given the regularity with which cast members are nailing any given scene, I was left a little underwhelmed.

[Zoop]

So, anyone else a little disappointed with Theon in the last episode? Not from a plot point of view, but rather in terms of the performance. Alfie wasn't bad by any stretch, and it's a really tough scene to pull off, but given the regularity with which cast members are nailing any given scene, I was left a little underwhelmed.

I assume you mean ep06. If so, yeah, I agree. But I've actually found his performance started leaving something to be desired since around the episode where he went back to his father's islands.

[Toxxyc]

Last episode being...? S02E06? Then yes, I'm extremely disappointed by Theon. I can't wait for him to be caught. Also, that beheading scene was pretty nasty, multi-chop to get the ball rolling, so to speak. Also, I'm loving the character Tyrion is becoming. Seriously. "And now I struck a king - has my hand fallen off!?"

I assume you mean ep06. If so, yeah, I agree. But I've actually found his performance started leaving something to be desired since around the episode where he went back to his father's islands.

I find his leaving pretty awesome actually. He plays the part of desperate son trying to gain respect/father's love rather well, despite me hating his character for what he did in Winterfell.

[Grimnebulin]

Yep, I'm referring to episode 6. There's no episode 7 until the weekend ;)

@zoop - Yeah, I have to agree with you. I thought his return was handled well from all points, but he just seems to be missing something since then. Like I said, it's extremely difficult to pull off the complexity the role requires. Conveying the sense of a son trying to please his father is one thing, but it's the hurling himself into the abyss that requires serious acting chops.

And Arya and Tywin. It's been said a thousand times, but watching those two dance around each other is captivating. Also, who reckons that Littlefinger did spot Arya and has simply filed the information for future use? I found it rather odd that the most popular opinion is that he was simply too distracted to notice.

[Azraphael]

And Arya and Tywin. It's been said a thousand times, but watching those two dance around each other is captivating. Also, who reckons that Littlefinger did spot Arya and has simply filed the information for future use? I found it rather odd that the most popular opinion is that he was simply too distracted to notice.

A character like Littlefinger, who has no real family name behind him and has gotten to where he is through the information he possesses, for sure he recognized her.

Theon, as a character, has ****ed me off. I haven't read the books and am somewhat confused as to how he came to be with the Starks. As I understand it, his father basically gave him away to Ned Stark, and then accuses him of being a traitor. One would think that if your father abandoned you to one of his supposed enemies , and constantly ridicules you, well then **** him. What allegiance do you owe him? Of course I may be missing something.

[Zoop]

Yeah, I got the feeling he spotted her, just hid the information. It would suit his character to do so.

[GeometriX]

Theon, as a character, has ****ed me off. I haven't read the books and am somewhat confused as to how he came to be with the Starks. As I understand it, his father basically gave him away to Ned Stark, and then accuses him of being a traitor. One would think that if your father abandoned you to one of his supposed enemies , and constantly ridicules you, well then **** him. What allegiance do you owe him? Of course I may be missing something.

In a nutshell: The Starks and the Greyjoys were at war. When everyone (sort of) decided to start getting along and the seven kingdoms were "united", Theon was given to the Starks (as demanded by the Starks) as what's essentially a long-term promise of mutual peace. Theon was their prisoner, but also their ward. The Starks had to take care of him or face war again, and the Greyjoys knew they couldn't attack for fear of Theon being killed.

The reason why Theon's dad is all ****y about him is because he thinks Theon has gone soft. The Greyjoys are a hard people and are used to taking things by force. He feels that Theon betrayed the Greyjoy's way of life, not necessarily betrayed them "politically", if that makes sense?

[Azraphael]

Aaaah, thought it was something to that effect, he still ****es me off though.

[brazed]

Also, that is pretty stupid reasoning. Its like fooling yourself and saying "I wasn't going to buy X game, so I will just Pirate it instead. But you know... I wasn't going to buy it, really. But I figured since I wasn't going to buy it, you know, id just pirate it and play it anyway... You know..." Its a way of justifying your actions, and its weak. Just admit you pirate it, and get it over with. Or don't admit it, keep it to yourself, and don't try to pretend like you have a "good" reason.

Your DSTV subscription is essentially letting you watch it once. Unless you record it, in which case it is confined to your decoder. If you want to watch it multiple times, on many tv's and give it to all your friends to watch, that is the equivalent of having the DVD. Which is a separate cost even when you have a DSTV subscription.

Way to miss the point of introducing a discussion point.

Also, my DSTV subscription does not only allow me to watch it once, there is this little something called DSTV on demand. And if it's on your pvr you can pretty much watch it as many times as you want for all eternity, so not completely different than owning the DVD.

And watching in on multiple tv's, with multiple friends, multiple times is made very much possible by dstv on demand. They don't keep all the episodes on there, but they keep the last 4 weeks worth of episodes...and you can stream it online.

And don't accuse me of pirating when you have pretty much no clue of what goes on in my home, or how I feel about the matter, nor should you make such assumptions based on no information whatsoever.

I'll leave you with this little line you might have skipped over in your haste to reply from your high horse:
"The local air date of episodes is only a week after the international air date, so there really isn't any need to pirate it."

[Toxxyc]

Yeah, I got the feeling he spotted her, just hid the information. It would suit his character to do so.

It would. Littlefinger is the one character in the series I can't sum up at all. Thought I had at the start of S01, but it changed and then that view was changed again after his conversation with Lady Stark. I still thinks he bids allegiance to the Starks in his own, subtle, stealthy and hidden way, but I may be completely wrong as well.

[Zoop]

I think someone in the first season summed Littlefinger up perfectly (it could have come from the books, though), they said: Littlefinger cares only about one thing, and that's Littlefinger. Think it was lady Stark, implying that he never truly loved her, only loved what he would gain from being in a relationship with her.

Either way, I think it holds true as being the motivation for most of Littlefinger's actions in life.

[Azraphael]

I still thinks he bids allegiance to the Starks in his own, subtle, stealthy and hidden way, but I may be completely wrong as well.

Only so long as it suits him, I get the feeling he would sell his own mother if the payoff was large enough.

[Toxxyc]

I think you're right. He's a greedy bastard who came from nothing, built himself a name and even created his own sigil (mockingbird). His character interests me, but as the person he is in the series now I think he's starting to vex me with his decisions.

[MonGooS]

Yeah, I got the feeling he spotted her, just hid the information. It would suit his character to do so.

The problem though, is he is too smart for that. You could see he was 90% sure it was her, but not 100% sure. Do you think he would use information he wasn't completely sure about? I have a feeling he might push the matter further and do some digging before he adds it to his bag of manipulative information.

[Azraphael]

I think you're right. He's a greedy bastard who came from nothing, built himself a name and even created his own sigil (mockingbird). His character interests me, but as the person he is in the series now I think he's starting to vex me with his decisions.

Agreed. A character I am slowly starting to like, and who I suspect is going to play a significant role at some point, is the Hound. I get the impression he is more loyal to Sansa than to Joffrey.

[Zoop]

Agreed. A character I am slowly starting to like, and who I suspect is going to play a significant role at some point, is the Hound. I get the impression he is more loyal to Sansa than to Joffrey.

I dunno, he shows her kindness, but he is still frighteningly loyal to the king. If Joffrey had expressly forbid him from rescuing Sansa, I think he would have obeyed.

[Toxxyc]

Agreed. A character I am slowly starting to like, and who I suspect is going to play a significant role at some point, is the Hound. I get the impression he is more loyal to Sansa than to Joffrey.

I dunno, he shows her kindness, but he is still frighteningly loyal to the king. If Joffrey had expressly forbid him from rescuing Sansa, I think he would have obeyed.

I think the Hound is loyal to whoever will show him kindness. He's scared of becoming the out-of-control freak his brother (the Mountain, the one who decapitated his own horse), and therefore he shows loyalty. Though I agree with Zoop as well. Joffrey never instructed him to rescue Stanza, he did it because he happened upon her. I mean, Joffrey's own words were "Let them have her!!!". I like the Hound. He at least looks like he portrays some sort of remorse after killing (think of the butcher's boy in S01), where Joffrey simply likes it and does it for the hell of it.

[Acinixys]

I've read up to the last book, and i think that the Hound just wants to be loved/accepted and to prove that he is better than what he was given. I also think he wants to prove to himself that he is better than his brother and that he can be kind hearted if need be MASSIVE SPOILER -> His brother is the one who burnt his face so badly, and i think that he feel that no one will ever like him because he sees himself as deformed and unmanly.

One thing that bugs me about the show that Theon is supposed to be super good looking, which is why woman like him so much. EVEN MORE MASSIVE SPOILER -> This is critical because he gets mutilated later by Roose Boltons bastard and basically goes mad later on, and no one recognises him because he's so messed up.

[James Donaldson]

My sister had to explain this as she read the books :P