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    SEATTLE — When Justin Bassett interviewed for a new job, he expected the usual questions about experience and references. So he was astonished when the interviewer asked for something else: his Facebook username and password.
    Bassett, a New York City statistician, had just finished answering a few character questions when the interviewer turned to her computer to search for his Facebook page. But she couldn't see his private profile. She turned back and asked him to hand over his login information.
    Bassett refused and withdrew his application, saying he didn't want to work for a company that would seek such personal information. But as the job market steadily improves, other job candidates are confronting the same question from prospective employers, and some of them cannot afford to say no.
    In their efforts to vet applicants, some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person's social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around.
    "It's akin to requiring someone's house keys," said Orin Kerr, a George Washington University law professor and former federal prosecutor who calls it "an egregious privacy violation."
    Questions have been raised about the legality of the practice, which is also the focus of proposed legislation in Illinois and Maryland that would forbid public agencies from asking for access to social networks.
    Since the rise of social networking, it has become common for managers to review publically available Facebook profiles, Twitter accounts and other sites to learn more about job candidates. But many users, especially on Facebook, have their profiles set to private, making them available only to selected people or certain networks.
    Companies that don't ask for passwords have taken other steps — such as asking applicants to friend human resource managers or to log in to a company computer during an interview. Once employed, some workers have been required to sign non-disparagement agreements that ban them from talking negatively about an employer on social media.
    Asking for a candidate's password is more prevalent among public agencies, especially those seeking to fill law enforcement positions such as police officers or 911 dispatchers.
    Back in 2010, Robert Collins was returning to his job as a correctional officer at the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services after taking a leave following his mother's death. During a reinstatement interview, he was asked for his login and password, purportedly so the agency could check for any gang affiliations. He was stunned by the request but complied.

    "I needed my job to feed my family. I had to," he recalled.
    After the ACLU complained about the practice, the agency amended its policy, asking instead for job applicants to log in during interviews.
    "To me, that's still invasive. I can appreciate the desire to learn more about the applicant, but it's still a violation of people's personal privacy," said Collins, whose case inspired Maryland's legislation.
    Until last year, the city of Bozeman, Mont., had a long-standing policy of asking job applicants for passwords to their email addresses, social-networking websites and other online accounts.
    And since 2006, the McLean County, Ill., sheriff's office has been one of several Illinois sheriff's departments that ask applicants to sign into social media sites to be screened.
    Chief Deputy Rusty Thomas defended the practice, saying applicants have a right to refuse. But no one has ever done so. Thomas said that "speaks well of the people we have apply."
    When asked what sort of material would jeopardize job prospects, Thomas said "it depends on the situation" but could include "inappropriate pictures or relationships with people who are underage, illegal behavior."
    In Spotsylvania County, Va., the sheriff's department asks applicants to friend background investigators for jobs at the 911 dispatch center and for law enforcement positions.
    "In the past, we've talked to friends and neighbors, but a lot of times we found that applicants interact more through social media sites than they do with real friends," said Capt. Mike Harvey. "Their virtual friends will know more about them than a person living 30 yards away from them."
    Harvey said investigators look for any "derogatory" behavior that could damage the agency's reputation.
    E. Chandlee Bryan, a career coach and co-author of the book "The Twitter Job Search Guide," said job seekers should always be aware of what's on their social media sites and assume someone is going to look at it.

    Bryan said she is troubled by companies asking for logins, but she feels it's not a violation if an employer asks to see a Facebook profile through a friend request. And she's not troubled by non-disparagement agreements.
    "I think that when you work for a company, they are essentially supporting you in exchange for your work. I think if you're dissatisfied, you should go to them and not on a social media site," she said.
    More companies are also using third-party applications to scour Facebook profiles, Bryan said. One app called BeKnown can sometimes access personal profiles, short of wall messages, if a job seeker allows it.
    Sears is one of the companies using apps. An applicant has the option of logging into the Sears job site through Facebook by allowing a third-party application to draw information from the profile, such as friend lists.
    Sears Holdings Inc. spokeswoman Kim Freely said using a Facebook profile to apply allows Sears to be updated on the applicant's work history.
    The company assumes "that people keep their social profiles updated to the minute, which allows us to consider them for other jobs in the future or for ones that they may not realize are available currently," she said.
    Giving out Facebook login information violates the social network's terms of service. But those terms have questionable legal weight, and experts say the legality of asking for such information remains murky.
    The Department of Justice regards it as a federal crime to enter a social networking site in violation of the terms of service, but during recent congressional testimony, the agency said such violations would not be prosecuted.
    Lori Andrews, a law professor at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law specializing in Internet privacy, is concerned about the pressure placed on applicants, even if they voluntarily provide access to social sites.

    "Volunteering is coercion if you need a job," Andrews said.

    Neither Facebook nor Twitter responded to repeated requests for comment.


    In New York, Bassett considered himself lucky that he was able to turn down the consulting gig at a lobbying firm.
    "I think asking for account login credentials is regressive," he said. "If you need to put food on the table for your three kids, you can't afford to stand up for your belief."
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    It's a bit late, but I think there's a valid discussion to be had here.

    I'm of the opinion that even simply just asking to look at a person's profile is a major invasion of privacy. Employers are forgetting that people have private lives, and that nobody's private life is an accurate reflection of their ability to perform in a professional situation.

    It's made even worse by the fact that it is nothing more than an elaborate bully tactic. In an interview situation the last thing anyone wants is to deny a request from the potential employer, and this is being exploited. That's called coercion.

    There's a good argument to be had for not posting anything you don't want to be seen by certain people online, but that's a load of horse bollocks. You shouldn't have to have your freedom restricted due to a potential employer digging where he has no business. Your Facebook profile has absolutely nothing to do with your job.

    I mean, what did they do before Facebook?

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    Here's a story I heard.

    A woman was working for a second hand car company, being new she was obviously on probation.

    Her probation period ended and she did not learn what she needed to in order to fully do her job, so the boss told her instead of letting her go they will giver her another 3 months to get to know the job.

    When that period was almost up and she still didn't know the work it wasn't looking so great for her, then it came out she was bad mouthing the boss and laughing at how stupid they are because he was going for interviews while on "sick leave", all of this posted on facebook.

    It ended up someone told the boss about it, he looked at it and then told her to pack her stuff.

    I'm of the opinion that even simply just asking to look at a person's profile is a major invasion of privacy.
    I disagree, is looking at my car invasion of my privacy? If it is inside my locked garage then yes, if it is in the parking lot?

    Your Facebook profile has absolutely nothing to do with your job.
    I also disagree, people don't just hire you for what you know. They are trying to get a sense of who you are and your personality.

    Now I do agree, asking for login details is going a step too far, your profile is then not public for everyone to see.

    EDIT: I also remember when my gf was applying for jobs a few of them asked for a link to her Facebook profile. I don't think anything further was asked then.
    Last edited by KalMaverick; 15-04-2012 at 05:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalMaverick View Post
    I disagree, is looking at my car invasion of my privacy? If it is inside my locked garage then yes, if it is in the parking lot?
    You're seriously comparing a vehicle to someone's personal life?

    I also disagree, people don't just hire you for what you know. They are trying to get a sense of who you are and your personality.
    Which is why you go for an interview and don't just send them a piece of paper with all your qualifications...

    I'm sorry, I just don't consider it appropriate to want to screen someone's personal life before considering hiring them. The majority of potential employers who take part in this ****ty practice want people to log into their own profiles and not just monitor the profile from another account, due to the fact that Facebook's privacy settings allow users to pretty much hide whatever they want. That is a violation of someone's privacy, because then whatever you want to hide is laid bare, even if it isn't compromising info but merely personal info you don't want everyone to know.

    You're also basically starting your business relationship on a foundation of mistrust. You go for an interview so the employer can see what you're like and whether you're well-suited to do the job, but then he asks for your Facebook info because he doesn't trust that you're telling the truth.

    Employers shouldn't forget that everybody has a personal life outside of their job, and that it is no business of theirs what employees do when they're not busy representing a company.

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    The way I see it is that employers have every right to do a check-up on your public profile. It's public. In the name there, really. If you have any qualms about what is on your public profile then you should be upping your privacy any ways.

    Asking for login details? Jog on.

    How about you give me login details to your company database? So that I can get a better idea of your company. Do that then we'll talk.

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    Another issue is that it lends the system to abuse. If a potential employer sees someone is homosexual, as an example, and the employer is a devout Christian, what's to stop the employer from simply discarding the application? Nobody can prove that he discriminated unjustly against the applicant. Or if the applicant is a member of a strong feminism group and the employee decides he/she might prove to be troublesome later?

    It's an easy way for employers to circumvent the laws against discrimination against job applicants.

    Here's Facebook's stance on the matter.

    As a user, you shouldn’t be forced to share your private information and communications just to get a job. And as the friend of a user, you shouldn’t have to worry that your private information or communications will be revealed to someone you don’t know and didn’t intend to share with just because that user is looking for a job. That’s why we’ve made it a violation of Facebook’s Statement of Rights and Responsibilities to share or solicit a Facebook password.

    We don’t think employers should be asking prospective employees to provide their passwords because we don’t think it’s the right thing to do. But it also may cause problems for the employers that they are not anticipating. For example, if an employer sees on Facebook that someone is a member of a protected group (e.g. over a certain age, etc.) that employer may open themselves up to claims of discrimination if they don’t hire that person.
    And I think what's equally important to note is that you're not only violating the applicant's privacy, but also whomever he is befriended with on Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    You're seriously comparing a vehicle to someone's personal life?
    The principle remains the same. Facebook is not your own personal diary, it's social media, and for a lot of people it's open for everyone to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    Which is why you go for an interview and don't just send them a piece of paper with all your qualifications...
    Agreed, letters were used for communication, now we have telephone and e-mail added to the ways we can communicate. Same for social media, if it is possible to use a tool to help with anything then how can you expect someone not to use it?

    What about credit checks? Criminal checks? What about references? Do you feel that is also an invasion of privacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    I'm sorry, I just don't consider it appropriate to want to screen someone's personal life before considering hiring them. The majority of potential employers who take part in this ****ty practice want people to log into their own profiles and not just monitor the profile from another account, due to the fact that Facebook's privacy settings allow users to pretty much hide whatever they want. That is a violation of someone's privacy, because then whatever you want to hide is laid bare, even if it isn't compromising info but merely personal info you don't want everyone to know.
    Do you have statistics to back up this claim? Not all potential employers want log in details or for you to log into your profile, what they can see from a link to your profile tells them either everything they need or nothing at all in which case no problem. Do not dismiss a tool because some choose to abuse it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    You're also basically starting your business relationship on a foundation of mistrust. You go for an interview so the employer can see what you're like and whether you're well-suited to do the job, but then he asks for your Facebook info because he doesn't trust that you're telling the truth.
    No, you are starting your business relationship being open. Why do you think potential employees ask for the type of car you drive and the amount of the payments, why they ask you to consent to taking lie detector tests, everything is to make as sure as possible of the person they employing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    Employers shouldn't forget that everybody has a personal life outside of their job, and that it is no business of theirs what employees do when they're not busy representing a company.
    They are remembering precisely that... certain careers expect certain things, some require a strict code of ethics or professional behaviour, what you do outside business hours matter.

    As I said using social media as a tool is a great thing, I do not agree with abusing it but then again not everybody does.

    If a potential employer sees someone is homosexual, as an example, and the employer is a devout Christian, what's to stop the employer from simply discarding the application?
    It's a good question. What stops a potential employer from dismissing your application because they didn't like the way you wore your hair in an interview?
    Last edited by KalMaverick; 15-04-2012 at 09:22 PM.

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    To be fair, I'm kinda in the same thought train as KalMaverick here.

    I've always cringed when people get up in arms about a job application form asking to know what religion one falls under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalMaverick View Post
    The principle remains the same. Facebook is not your own personal diary, it's social media, and for a lot of people it's open for everyone to see.
    Facebook is a social utility which people use to keep in touch with family and friends. It was not put in place for people to check up on potential employees. Making a screening of an applicant's social media profiles a prerequisite for getting a job is absolutely ridiculous.

    Expecting an applicant to expose his social profile is akin to following him and his friends around when they're out to see what he's like.

    Agreed, letters were used for communication, now we have telephone and e-mail added to the ways we can communicate. Same for social media, if it is possible to use a tool to help with anything then how can you expect someone not to use it?
    No, you went in for an interview, did your thing, left and if they liked you enough they'd call you back and give you the position. They didn't dig through your personal life.

    What about credit checks? Criminal checks? What about references? Do you feel that is also an invasion of privacy?
    Are you actually being serious? You're now comparing tools designed for the sole purpose of doing background checks on people to a social media platform, which is not intended to be used as a recruiting tool. Honestly?

    Do you have statistics to back up this claim? Not all potential employers want log in details or for you to log into your profile, what they can see from a link to your profile tells them either everything they need or nothing at all in which case no problem. Do not dismiss a tool because some choose to abuse it.
    And if you restrict your profile so nothing is visible to strangers? Do you think the employer is simply going to leave it at that?

    No, you are starting your business relationship being open. Why do you think potential employees ask for your the type of car you drive and the amount of the payments, why they ask you to consent to taking lie detector tests, everything is to make as sure as possible of the person they employing.
    No, in fact, you are starting your business relationship by allowing the employer access to something which is none of his damn business, that's what. What you and your friends say to each other is totally irrelevant, as is whatever your political/religious/sexual persuasions are.

    It's a good question. What stops a potential employer from dismissing your application because they didn't like the way you wore your hair in an interview?
    So because there is avenues for unfair discrimination we should just leave other avenues open as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharrak View Post
    I've always cringed when people get up in arms about a job application form asking to know what religion one falls under.
    As far as I know, potential employers aren't allowed to ask that any longer, because it bears no relevance to whether you're capable of doing the job or not, so they don't need to know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    Facebook is a social utility which people use to keep in touch with family and friends. It was not put in place for people to check up on potential employees. Making a screening of an applicant's social media profiles a prerequisite for getting a job is absolutely ridiculous.
    Sure, however things evolve and new uses are found. It's how life works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    Are you actually being serious? You're now comparing tools designed for the sole purpose of doing background checks on people to a social media platform, which is not intended to be used as a recruiting tool. Honestly?
    It is irrelevant whether it was designed to act as a recruiting tool, it is possible to use it as one and as I said if it can be used as a tool to make things easier who are you to say they cannot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    And if you restrict your profile so nothing is visible to strangers? Do you think the employer is simply going to leave it at that?
    You have proof that no employer whatsoever does this I suppose? As I said I have seen many job applications that have asked for a link to your Facebook profile and then nothing further was said about it. Once again because SOME abuse it does not mean others do not use it for legitimate purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    No, in fact, you are starting your business relationship by allowing the employer access to something which is none of his damn business, that's what. What you and your friends say to each other is totally irrelevant, as is whatever your political/religious/sexual persuasions are.
    Get on the same page as me, IF your profile is completely private then yes, however if it is public then it is everyone-who-can-see-it's business. How about someone who does dagga as a hobby and they work in an environment where you can't have that? Do you feel that someone who has that sort of information set as PUBLIC will adhere to whatever the ethics of that company is. Great image for a law firm to have someone who does drugs work for them, not damaging to the company at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    So because there is avenues for unfair discrimination we should just leave other avenues open as well?
    Honestly? That's what you want to take from the comment? A person who is going to discriminate will find a way to do it with or without Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    As far as I know, potential employers aren't allowed to ask that any longer, because it bears no relevance to whether you're capable of doing the job or not, so they don't need to know it.
    Not sure what the law says but I have seen it asked still.

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    Just be aware that a company is represented by its employees and social media is the best overview of a person that someone can get within 15mins.

    Then there is also the fact that they can screen people to see if the candidate will fit into the environment at work and promote unity within the division or entire office [depending on how it is run that is]

    But having said all of that, I am not sure who I would react in a situation like that.
    Last edited by Griff3n; 15-04-2012 at 10:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    As far as I know, potential employers aren't allowed to ask that any longer, because it bears no relevance to whether you're capable of doing the job or not, so they don't need to know it.
    I can see reasons. Dietary restrictions (if the job supplies food or has functions), holidays, and personal views that may clash with the company's objective.

    It's perceived as controversial, but I don't see how it's actually a bad thing beyond people who choose to be offended by it.

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    If I'm ever re-employed into a normal job, I'm not handing over my login information so they can peruse my private life. I'm no fool and I know that even in my private life I can make a good or bad reflection on the company (if that's the case Zuckerberg could have been fired for being drunk and disorderly, but we'll let that slide), but that doesn't require constant policing by the people in HR or by your boss to make sure you're always toeing the line. You pay me to do a job, I'll do that job well. Treat me well and with respect and I won't badmouth you - but I'm still not accepting your invite or the request to let you see my personal profile. I have an actual page about me that I made up specifically for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    I have an actual page about me that I made up specifically for that.
    This. To me, asking for the login details for my Facebook account is like asking for the keys to my flat so you can sniff my underwear and read my diary. It's my private space; period. I would immediately lose interest in working for a company that is so retarded. They're welcome to go view my profile, since it's set to private anyway. I don't want them reading my love messages to my girlfriend; or the stories shared with family when my grandmother died. It's an utterly ridiculous request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioiiooio View Post
    This. To me, asking for the login details for my Facebook account is like asking for the keys to my flat so you can sniff my underwear and read my diary. It's my private space; period. I would immediately lose interest in working for a company that is so retarded. They're welcome to go view my profile, since it's set to private anyway. I don't want them reading my love messages to my girlfriend; or the stories shared with family when my grandmother died. It's an utterly ridiculous request.
    My thoughts exactly. I'd figure that if I make my profile private as it's supposed to be, it should stay that way. If you want your stuff public, make it public and get over it. Then you won't care if everyone sees whatever you post/comment/update. I've got friends in my book of faces, and they are welcome to whatever I put on there. A stranger though? Hell no. And there's also no way in hell I'd give her my username and password.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalMaverick View Post
    It is irrelevant whether it was designed to act as a recruiting tool, it is possible to use it as one and as I said if it can be used as a tool to make things easier who are you to say they cannot.
    I'm the owner of my page. Incidentally, Facebook also takes a firm stance against using Facebook as a recruitment tool, so it's totally relevant. They're actually pushing to try and get the practice banned in America. The issue is that it's not considered voluntary. It's coercion. Someone who really badly needs a job is going to be scared to refuse, even if he disagrees with the practice.

    Honestly? That's what you want to take from the comment? A person who is going to discriminate will find a way to do it with or without Facebook.
    And with Facebook not being available as a avenue for discrimination, he's going to have less information to work with.

    All I'm saying is if I'm asked for my Facebook profile in an interview, I'll politely refuse the request, and if they don't want to grant me the job based on that alone, tough luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    I'm the owner of my page. Incidentally, Facebook also takes a firm stance against using Facebook as a recruitment tool, so it's totally relevant. They're actually pushing to try and get the practice banned in America. The issue is that it's not considered voluntary. It's coercion. Someone who really badly needs a job is going to be scared to refuse, even if he disagrees with the practice.
    Where did you get that information on Facebook's stance? I would also like to give it a read. As far as I know proposed legislation is against the access to social media, not viewing publically available information or using the information in the recruitment process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoop View Post
    All I'm saying is if I'm asked for my Facebook profile in an interview, I'll politely refuse the request, and if they don't want to grant me the job based on that alone, tough luck.
    I would refuse access to my profile, my profile is set to private and it remains that way. They can however look at whatever information I've set as public.

    Wanting access to private profile = Invasion of privacy. I would not want that.
    Wanting to look at your public profile = Not invasion of privacy. I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharrak View Post
    I can see reasons. Dietary restrictions (if the job supplies food or has functions), holidays, and personal views that may clash with the company's objective.

    It's perceived as controversial, but I don't see how it's actually a bad thing beyond people who choose to be offended by it.
    An interview is also a two-way thing. Stating your religion beforehand helps the interviewer prepare questions regarding that.

    Would a muslim be happy to work for a place that does not offer any pray facilities for example?

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    I'll have to find the press statement where Facebook took that stance again, as I can't remember it off the top of my head and I'm not going to try and dig through my browser history for that just now.

    In the meantime, here's an interesting paper on the matter. A lot of the info in it is somewhat outdated due to the fact that it was written in 2006, Facebook's infancy years, but I feel it still has a reasonably sound argument behind it.

    A select few quotes from it;

    Therefore, the potential outcome is the destruction of a once thriving social
    networking website to satisfy selfish corporate interests. In essence, by violating Facebook user‟s privacy, employers are applying de facto censorship and hindering individuality and free
    expression. Students have become afraid to post information in their profiles because they don‟t
    know how a prospective employer would interpret the information. Students have also become
    afraid to share their personal lives with their fellow college students due to the fact that it is
    easier for corporations to access user‟s information if their profiles are left unprotected. Such
    instances are unfortunate as they reflect Facebook‟s trend from a social networking website
    towards a bland collection of impersonal resumes.
    From the discussion above, it is clear that when employers bypass privacy settings and
    search profiles, they are unethically infringing on a Facebook user‟s personal privacy. Personal
    information listed in a Facebook account is intended only for a select social network
    (schoolmates and friends), not as a resume for employers to serve their commercial interests.
    Furthermore, information listed in user‟s profiles may not accurately portray the individual or
    may be taken out of context by potential employers leading to inaccurate stereotypes and
    dismissal from employment consideration. Finally and perhaps most importantly, Facebook
    user‟s knowledge that perspective employers may be checking profiles represses individualism
    by causing an artificial cleansing of profiles. Ethics require that employment recruiters cease
    using Facebook in their recruiting process.
    While this ethical issue may seem trivial to many people, especially those who are
    unfamiliar with Facebook‟s immense influence within the average student‟s life, there are
    potentially severe consequences for young aspiring employees. For almost all of today‟s college
    students, Facebook plays an integral part in their social and private lives. For an employer to
    invade the user‟s personal privacy and make potentially unfounded or speculative hiring decisions based upon profile information are unfair, unethical and wrong. Employers should
    stick to other means of employee screening and leave Facebook out of the hiring process.

    ---

    Character judgments can be made through many other means, including interviews, letters of recommendation and
    traditional background checks. It is imperative that corporate America‟s ethical standards adjust
    to be appropriate for today‟s rapidly changing web-based technologies

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