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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Firstly..
    It won't win the mobile users over. "android is too powerful now"
    It may overtake i-OS.
    I think Windows 8 will capture the tablet market fairly well, and that's where all the growth is. Sure, Android has a staggering lead and iOS has a loyal fanbase in the millions. But seeing the uprising of Windows Phone in the last 18 months has been interesting and Microsoft is making smart moves here. It might not appeal to everyone on the desktop but on a tablet, where there's a functional and usable desktop mode for apps that won't run in Metro, it has no equal.

    Everyone who bought an iPad for the OS and shelled out extra money for iWork will re-consider their next tablet upgrade more carefully now, especially if they aren't so heavily invested in the app store. Apple itself is in the beginning of a GUI refresh to match up with Microsoft and I expect something to materialise this time next year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    "my reasons to hate windows."

    1. Majority vote... it gets the games.
    I find this a bit unfair. Sure, DirectX corners the market but that's no fault of Microsoft entirely - OpenGL programming has been in a very bad way for years and there's been no lack of developers trying to support it. There's only two dev companies currently that use OpenGL extensively in their titles - Valve's Source and id's in-house Doom 3 engine, now an open-source alternative to those companies who can't afford more expensive engines from the likes of Crytek or Codemasters.

    If you offered devs a nicely documented, moderately supported API that has the chance of making them bundles of money by running their game off it with a wide install base, then that's what they're going to go for. They have their own families to feed at the end of the day and devs work very hard for the money they receive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    2. Everyone uses it and it's always the same. "same exploits.. same holes, same viruses... same OS everywhere" Just look at how flame took a baseball bat to system security. Till then windows defender updates were hardly seen.
    That's an argument one can extend to any platform that has dominance in its respective market. Android in particular will suffer exactly the same fate one day, being ubiquitous and massively targeted because of its wide user base. Every software will have its flaws and backdoors that can't be seen until someone figures out how to exploit them.

    If you liked Windows 7 and dislike Windows 8 because of this reason, then you have double standards. Take Linux, for example - in a few African countries, Linux has been deployed on a massive scale for use in government, corporates and large-scale businesses because it saves the country in general money. I believe Kenya is one of those countries, and guess what? There are Linux viruses currently doing the rounds there. Not too many, mind you, but enough to make admins wary. If OS X achieved global install numbers on the same scale as Windows, you'd be complaining about the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion
    3. Lack of CBF. win 8 will be like vista... over shadowed by the next version where M$ actually listened once idiots stop buying win 8 for some reason. "but it's ok... we made money"

    4. Promises of things that are just to good to be true. "win 98... south park movie.. watch it"
    And here you're uttering the same thing the rest of the internet has been saying. Vista was its own special case because Microsoft used it as an incentive to change the way computers worked and operated. Today we have more than 4GB of RAM on average, quad-core processors by default, GPUs that process math in the teraflop region and hard drives that scale well beyond 2.2TB in size with SSDs to boot. All that hardware is still there and now its Microsoft's turn to get the software into a spot where all that power can be exploited properly.

    Windows 7 started this by being a better, less resource-intensive version of Vista while still using all the resources available to it properly, and more efficiently than any OS based on the Windows kernel. Windows 8 just continues that trend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion
    5. Win 8 mobile applications unable to run on normal OS... normal OS applications unable to run on mobile.
    That's a design decision, not a fault on its own. This isn't iOS and OS X we're talking about here. Even the Metro design language changes between the desktop and the mobile platforms based on Windows 8. You tailor experiences for different hardware, not shoving out a one-size fits all product. Look at how that philisophy turned out for Adobe Air - its a terrible platform to code for. The write-once; deploy everywhere scenario is a pipedream, at best and only would work on an OS that's designed for it - that happens to be Android, starting with Ice Cream Sandwich.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion
    6. The prices you are asked for the mere ability to change your wallpaper. "this got me totally ripped apart.. I installed a ripped ver on my netbook" And just to be a douche I used a OEM key.
    Granted, I'm not thrilled with Starter versions either, but how else would you have differentiated the OS so that it can fall under different price segments? The Starter version of Windows 7 is, at the end of the day, only slightly further away than the stripped-down ISOs users build for benchmarking and taking up as little space as possible. Microsoft just chose to go with the trend and take it one step further. Besides, for Netbooks the Starter version of Windows 7 matches up exactly to the use-case that it was designed for. Its the users who ended up wanting more and there's nothing stopping them from purchasing upgrade packs either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion
    7. I'm anti establishment. "it may serve some causes.. but it sure as hell is doing nothing for the rest of us"
    Sure development may cost money. But if MS could... they would brain wash us all into thinking windows is the only OS.
    Wait, what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion
    Give me 2 reasons why win 8 must exist.
    Now you're just trolling. Get with the fact that you don't have to use Windows 8 if you don't like it, and move on.
    Last edited by Wesley; 27-08-2012 at 12:45 PM.

  2. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Now you're just trolling. Get with the fact that you don't have to use Windows 8 if you don't like it, and move on.
    Not trolling you at all.
    Fair enough but as you said it.. no one needs to use windows 8.
    Last edited by Legion; 27-08-2012 at 03:22 PM.

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Not trolling you at all.
    Fair enough but as you said it.. no one needs to use windows 8.
    Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't care that you don't buy their crap.They should actually take time to listen to the tons of users instead of just creating another OS that isn't liked by the world.They should actually fix their current os with some of the features that are present in the previews of win 8.

    Is 4 years enough time for a OS to be replaced?Instead of rushing they should take their time after all most of the computers on planet earth run windows and get it right like they did with win xp.Sure Win xp wasn't perfect but it did not feel rushed,messed up completely and ignored like with vista\7.Like I have said before Microsoft should just have removed several of the lower versions of the os and kept win 7 pro editions for us normal users and fixed those after all win 8 feels like a "patch" when upgrading certain versions of win 7 to win 8 anyway.Just pointless!
    Last edited by maxdamage; 28-08-2012 at 01:37 AM.

  4. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxdamage View Post
    Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't care that you don't buy their crap.They should actually take time to listen to the tons of users instead of just creating another OS that isn't liked by the world.They should actually fix their current os with some of the features that are present in the previews of win 8.

    Is 4 years enough time for a OS to be replaced?Instead of rushing they should take their time after all most of the computers on planet earth run windows and get it right like they did with win xp.Sure Win xp wasn't perfect but it did not feel rushed,messed up completely and ignored like with vista\7.Like I have said before Microsoft should just have removed several of the lower versions of the os and kept win 7 pro editions for us normal users and fixed those after all win 8 feels like a "patch" when upgrading certain versions of win 7 to win 8 anyway.Just pointless!
    Yeah I really think Microsoft should consider researching the market better or more often
    Or perhaps looking at why so many people are so deeply concerned at this moment.

    I think I will stick to windows 7 ultimate till something else worth while comes around.
    I paid my butt off for this version and I'm not ready to pay out for another pro or ultimate.
    Last edited by Legion; 28-08-2012 at 09:27 AM.

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    Windows 8 Analysis Part 2: Modern UI and other niggles

    Continuing off from where I ended in my first analysis of Windows 8, I decided that if you're purely going to work in the desktop, its actually a good, responsive OS that does exactly what's needed. While I didn't delve too deeply into the new features of desktop mode I felt that the improvements there alone would make upgrading to Windows 8 worthwhile. Today I wanted to have a better look at the replacement to the Start Button, now called Metro or Modern UI. Microsoft would prefer you not to call it Metro because of legal complications with a company in Germany that is called Metro Group, which is odd.

    Modern UI is a new interface for Microsoft that will eventually span across all their product lineups and first debuted in Windows Phone. I'd like to refresh your memory and remind you, dear reader, that WP8 and Windows 8 share the same kernel just like iOS and OS X are the same thing deep underneath their skins. There are more similarities between the two than you would have found between the original Windows Mobile and any of its desktop counterparts. While Windows 8 isn't exactly what I expected when I first learnt about it, there is a place for it in this world. Among tablets, table computers and even those touch-screen terminals in Airports, it has no equal and I estimate a rather large amount of users would actually welcome the new features. So, how does it handle?


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  6. #46

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    Microsoft can keep their "lucky" charms! ;)

  7. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxdamage View Post
    Microsoft can keep their "lucky" charms! ;)
    After using them for a while, they're actually pretty well thought-out. Like I mentioned in my article, it takes a little retraining and muscle memory to become used to the new way of doing things, just like Windows 95 users had to do for the Start Button. I really, really wish I had a Windows-based tablet, I'd be rocking 8 on there in no time at all.

  8. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    I really, really wish I had a Windows-based tablet, I'd be rocking 8 on there in no time at all.
    That is the thing as it is meant for a windows based tablet.Not meant for a desktop pc or laptops...

  9. #49

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    We all know that Windows Vista and Windows 7 come with a newly designed Start menu which is easy to use, full of new features like instant search and looks great.

    If you are still using Windows XP and don't want to upgrade to Windows Vista or Windows 7 but want to have the same Start menu functionality in XP, then "ViStart" is a boon for you.

    ViStart is an excellent piece of software created by our friend "Lee Matthew Chantrey" which can be considered as Windows Vista and Windows 7 Start menu clone for Windows XP. It integrates itself into Windows Explorer perfectly. It replaces the default Windows Start menu and brings the new Windows Vista and 7 Start menu to XP.

    It can also be used in Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. Since Microsoft has removed Start Menu and Start button from Windows 8, ViStart is a good option.

    It also indexes all program files and personal files, so you can get the same instant search results as of Windows Vista and Windows 7, even better than Vista.

    ViStart is also skinnable, i.e. you can create your own ViStart skins and can change its look.

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  10. #50

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    Wouldn't download this as long as sweet packs forms a part of the install. Even clicking on decline does not stop it from invading your system.

  11. #51

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    I tried the eaaarrllylyy releaces, and my PC would always lock up........ Forever.

    No matter what I did I'd get nothing......

    Got the hell in and went to get my Win 7 DvD back out the cupboard :P

  12. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulmantle View Post
    Wouldn't download this as long as sweet packs forms a part of the install. Even clicking on decline does not stop it from invading your system.
    What on earth is a sweet pack?Haven't tried the latest version though.

  13. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxdamage View Post
    What on earth is a sweet pack?Haven't tried the latest version though.
    Its those programs that are bundled with other ones unless you uncheck the "No, I don't want this crap" checkbox.

  14. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Its those programs that are bundled with other ones unless you uncheck the "No, I don't want this crap" checkbox.
    Oh like the google toolbar,etc....

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    Some questions for Wes or any other PC know-it-all.

    1. Can I use Win 7 64bit drivers in Win 8? Reason I ask is my Asus DX2 Xonar SC does not have a Win8 64bit driver available.

    2. How compatible are programs or games with Win 8? Will I struggle to run Steam, Origin, Afterburner or Mod tools in Win 8?

    3. Will I have to pay for Windows applications that should actually be free? Eg: Calculator, media player, disk defrag, etc.

    I will buy Win 8 depending on the answers, thank you.
    Last edited by blesner; 08-10-2012 at 06:09 PM.

  16. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by blesner View Post
    Some questions for Wes or any other PC know-it-all.

    1. Can I use Win 7 64bit drivers in Win 8? Reason I ask is my Asus DX2 Xonar SC does not have a Win8 64bit driver available.

    2. How compatible are programs or games with Win 8? Will I struggle to run Steam, Origin, Afterburner or Mod tools in Win 8?

    3. Will I have to pay for Windows applications that should actually be free? Eg: Calculator, media player, disk defrag, etc.

    I will buy Win 8 depending on the answers, thank you.
    Answers to your questions:
    #1 Yes you can use Win 7 64 bit drivers in win 8.

    #2 Since Win 8 has the same requirements as Win Vista\7 you should have not problems in Win 8 but there is not guarantee though that those app will run in win 8.

    #3 No but you will have to get an app like windows media centre or any app that can play dvds that comes with your graphics card to play dvds in windows 8 as normal support for it will be removed by microsoft.

    Besides since you use a 64 bit version of Win 7 you don't really need to uprade to Win 8 at all.
    Last edited by maxdamage; 09-10-2012 at 12:44 AM.

  17. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by blesner View Post
    [B]1. Can I use Win 7 64bit drivers in Win 8? Reason I ask is my Asus DX2 Xonar SC does not have a Win8 64bit driver available.
    Yes, you can. However, some users have been reporting that Windows 8 isn't allowing certain driver installs, especially if they aren't signed or WHQL-certified. Most Windows 7/Vista drivers will work without a hitch. If you can't install unsigned drivers, follow this link for more info.

    Quote Originally Posted by blesner
    2. How compatible are programs or games with Win 8? Will I struggle to run Steam, Origin, Afterburner or Mod tools in Win 8?
    Most will work without a hitch in desktop mode. Any game or app that has been created with compatibility for Vista or 7 in mind will run on Windows 8. Some programs may fail because they haven't been updated to recognise the OS as a valid one - in that case, you use compatibility mode for Windows 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by blesner
    3. Will I have to pay for Windows applications that should actually be free? Eg: Calculator, media player, disk defrag, etc.
    Everything's still there by default - calculator, defragmenter, media player (although there's no longer a desktop Windows Media Player). My suggestion is that you try out Windows 8 first in a virtual machine and evaluate how its going to work for you. For example, a lot of the media plugins for .mkv files haven't been ported to Windows 8's Media Player, so the workaround is VLC. Some people may want better granular control over their music - Winamp or Media Monkey are the best alternatives here. It all depends on how you want things set up and working.

    And it also depends on whether you're happy with your current setup. I understand people's need to be on the bleeding edge, but there's no discernable performance difference moving from 7 to 8, even in games. Unless you're running a Bulldozer-based rig and want to make use of the new scheduler in Win 8, there's not much incentive for many to move over. If you like new experiences its certainly something that will teach you new ways to do things, but its up to you to decide how it's going to work for you. Definitely give it a test run in a virtual machine before commiting to it.

  18. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Yes, you can. However, some users have been reporting that Windows 8 isn't allowing certain driver installs, especially if they aren't signed or WHQL-certified. Most Windows 7/Vista drivers will work without a hitch. If you can't install unsigned drivers, follow this link for more info.


    Most will work without a hitch in desktop mode. Any game or app that has been created with compatibility for Vista or 7 in mind will run on Windows 8. Some programs may fail because they haven't been updated to recognise the OS as a valid one - in that case, you use compatibility mode for Windows 7.



    Everything's still there by default - calculator, defragmenter, media player (although there's no longer a desktop Windows Media Player). My suggestion is that you try out Windows 8 first in a virtual machine and evaluate how its going to work for you. For example, a lot of the media plugins for .mkv files haven't been ported to Windows 8's Media Player, so the workaround is VLC. Some people may want better granular control over their music - Winamp or Media Monkey are the best alternatives here. It all depends on how you want things set up and working.

    And it also depends on whether you're happy with your current setup. I understand people's need to be on the bleeding edge, but there's no discernable performance difference moving from 7 to 8, even in games. Unless you're running a Bulldozer-based rig and want to make use of the new scheduler in Win 8, there's not much incentive for many to move over. If you like new experiences its certainly something that will teach you new ways to do things, but its up to you to decide how it's going to work for you. Definitely give it a test run in a virtual machine before commiting to it.
    Thank you Wes, I will give it a shot sir.

  19. #59

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    I must admit the interface is actually quite awesome.
    After messing with a more complete version at rage.
    I may consider this when I upgrade or have to format my system.

  20. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I must admit the interface is actually quite awesome.
    After messing with it a lot at rage I may consider this when I upgrade or have to format my system.
    Those tablets really were something, eh? And that 27" screen would have been even better if it didn't have grease on it from everyone else touching it.

    And Oi! You didn't say hi if you saw me at the Telkom stand.

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