New Anti-Smoking Law on the table

[nukehead]

No. You guys are not victims. In the same way that smokers are not victims.

I'm gonna put this here. Just because I find it funny. It has nothing to do with my views on smoking etc but there is one line in there that kills me every time.



Wait.

Kill was a bad word to use there...

[Zoop]

I'm sorry, but explain to me how non-smokers are not victims?

Also, from that video you posted. He says 'me smoking a car can't kill anyone'. Bull****. Accidents happen for a lot less than people scrambling to pick up a burning cigarette they dropped by accident.

I'd also like to point out that drinking in public is already banned, as is drinking and driving. :)

[nukehead]

There are many smoke-free places. Places where smokers cannot light up. These places exist for the sole purpose of protecting your rights to 'clean' air.

You don't hear people complaining about cars being dangerous when they are wandering onto highways. They avoid the highways. They don't make it illegal to drive.

There are many places - like the inside of Malls, airplanes, hospitals, grocery stores, pretty much any building/office - where you can be assured that nobody will light up.

There are certain areas you should avoid. Smoking sections in establishments - and smoking sections in clubs.

How are you victims?

Also - like I pointed out - the video is funny. I don't agree with his logic either.

[Drone]

I find this hilarious. They can ban and do what they want. People will still smoke and get their fix. How many things have been made illegal and people still do them everyday, all around everyone, without them knowing(Prohibition).

+ the money that is being made by tobacco companies will definitely influence this decision. And all the cash that the government makes off it?

I don't see this happening. But I could be wrong... :D

P.S. I'm a smoker... And this whole thread just made me want a smoke. Peace out.

[Zoop]

There are many smoke-free places. Places where smokers cannot light up. These places exist for the sole purpose of protecting your rights to 'clean' air.

You don't hear people complaining about cars being dangerous when they are wandering onto highways. They avoid the highways. They don't make it illegal to drive.

There are many places - like the inside of Malls, airplanes, hospitals, grocery stores, pretty much any building/office - where you can be assured that nobody will light up.

There are certain areas you should avoid. Smoking sections in establishments - and smoking sections in clubs.

How are you victims?

Also - like I pointed out - the video is funny. I don't agree with his logic either.

Because there are many smokers who simply don't bother themselves with this. Read: huddled around the entrances to buildings where non-smokers have to pass through.

Get smokers to start paying heed to the laws, and non-smokers won't have an issue.

As I said before, the issue isn't with considerate smokers, it's with the inconsiderate smokers who simply don't give a **** and who are making things difficult for non-smokers. They are the ones making non-smokers victims, as much as you like to claim non-smokers aren't victims.

I don't go into smoking areas and complain that people are smoking, so I'd expect smokers not to smoke in non-smoking areas and then complain because people want the habit banned from public, thank you very much.

[MonGooS]

I find this hilarious. They can ban and do what they want. People will still smoke and get their fix. How many things have been made illegal and people still do them everyday, all around everyone, without them knowing(Prohibition).

+ the money that is being made by tobacco companies will definitely influence this decision. And all the cash that the government makes off it?

I don't see this happening. But I could be wrong... :D

P.S. I'm a smoker... And this whole thread just made me want a smoke. Peace out.

All the points here have completely flown over your head, haven't they?

We aren't talking about making smoking illegal, we are talking about banning smoking in public. They are two very different things.

What your talking about is making it illegal, stopping shops from selling it and arresting people if they are found with it. What we are talking about is stopping people from smoking in public. You can still buy smokes at the shops, and still smoke in your home or in a designated smoking area. Just not on the side of the road, in parks, on walkways, etc. Which I don't think is unreasonable at all.

[Nferno]

As I've said before, the addiction to nicotene is only a small part of the issue. It's the culture of smoking that causes people to fail when they try to quit. If we created an environment that not only discouraged smoking (yes - especially among the youth), but also helped smokers to break their habits in a wholesome way (i.e.: don't just target the chemical addiction), then we'd be off to a good start.

I just want to add something here, regarding what Geo just mentioned.

As a recent ex-smoker of over a year and some change, I tend to notice a lot more now when people are smoking or taking smoke breaks. I don't have that holier-than-thou, born-again attitude and judge them for it, but I am interested in the culture that has developed by the limitations imposed by smoking laws.

I started smoking when it was still acceptable to smoke in our offices at work. Over the years HSE regulations have prohibited smoking indoors and now people have to stand outside in the designated smoking area. What's fascinating is that now I notice people that once used to smoked every two hours or so while they worked are joining others hourly for a smoke outside and these smokes can take anywhere from 5-10 minutes at a time.

Since they brought out these smoking regulations, the companies also had to enforce their own internal smoking rules, being that you could take a smoke break once an hour. That's all fine and dandy, but as a bean-counter, this grinds my ****ing gears, because should an employee take 6 x 10minutes breaks a day to smoke, that's an hour of production lost on company dime. Take that hour every day on a 5 day week average and it's 20 hours a month...for smoking. That 20 hours, multiplied by the employee's rate, and the costs are astronomical.

Chances are it's not just one person going to smoke though. There's a whole smoking "club" around here which all go out in unison and have a puff, and that's absolutely cool by me. I really don't mind if you smoke, it's a lifestyle choice and a social tool, I get that. Just saying that it would make a lot more financial sense to let those ****ers smoke in their offices, work through that 20 hours a month down-time while they puff, so that the company I work for doesn't have to endure unnecessary financial burdens. If the company tanks, I tank, and I'm not quite looking forward to being unemployed.

[Legion]

Just saying that it would make a lot more financial sense to let those ****ers smoke in their offices,

Salute.
You make a massive valid point on the waste of time it has turned into.

[Zoop]

Which ironically impedes on the rights for non-smokers to work in a smoke-free environment.

[Legion]

How about a wall 20 feet tall

smokers here || non smokers here.

[Zoop]

*sigh*

And then you want to complain that the NAG forums is a hostile place? To the ignore list with you until you are capable of contributing something of worth to any discussion you enter.

[Legion]

*sigh*

And then you want to complain that the NAG forums is a hostile place? To the ignore list with you until you are capable of contributing something of worth to any discussion you enter.

It was a joke...
:edit "goes and sits in the corner."

[Legion]

Which ironically impedes on the rights for non-smokers to work in a smoke-free environment.

You missed my point because you were to busy being a pain in the butt.
It does not have to infringe non smokers rights.

It's called a smokers office it's like a smoking section but you don't have to go standing outside.
Because to be honest.. how does your complaining about my smoke not infringe apon my freedom to smoke where i choose.
How about instead you go stand outside while i have a smoke?

[Zoop]

That's the worst argument I've heard in a while, but at least you seem to have come up with it by yourself.

Because smoking is your choice. I should not be negatively affected by something that is your choice.

[Legion]

That's the worst argument I've heard in a while, but at least you seem to have come up with it by yourself.

Because smoking is your choice. I should not be negatively affected by something that is your choice.

You don't have to be, if you are so opposed, why hang around them only to be bothered by it to start with?
You see if you respect a smokers space then there is no issue.
But most non smokers have a certain pride that they are non smokers and that is always the issue.
It's not a case of us not following the law it's a case of the law not being implemented correctly and non smokers standing in the smoking section and moaning about the smoke.

Why because everyone knows all anti-smoking activists are full of BS.

[GeometriX]

I'm at a point now where I can't decide if Legion is acting dumb, or just being dumb.

[Zoop]

Dear Legion, please grow an intellect. It might help your struggling IT career as well.

Come back when you actually understand what the argument is about. Kthxbai.

(apologies to the mods if this post is a bit on the flaming side, but honestly. :/)

[Legion]

Dear Legion, please grow an intellect. It might help your struggling IT career as well.

Really dude. We've been over this countless times in the thread, now you want to come back and argue points we've stopped arguing about 2 pages back. Honestly?

Also, great job on showing what a selfish prat you are in your attempts to label non-smokers as the BadgaisTM.

Come back when you actually understand what the argument is about. Kthxbai.

Only to push your buttons since you seem to be god here MR i am better than everyone.
Save the flag burning for later adolf.
You really talk to people like utter junk.
You cannot even take a joke And you get away with it.

[GeometriX]

No, no, I think we're pretty-much done here anyway. I'll keep this thread open for Legion to make one last post if there's a final thing he wants to say, and then lock this thread.

[GeometriX]

Owait, that's happened already.

I'll just lock this.