Firstly. There is no way that I'll ever stop eating meat.... Imagine a braai without meat... I mean wtf?
Secondly. A friend of mine's wife went to the doctor and he said her iron was too low.... she must eat more red meat.
Now obviously the hippies will have you chow down on pills and drugs.... But I prefer my minerals the natural way... In meat.
If God didn't want us to eat meat, he wouldn't have made cows out of steak
I see we are going the same way as the whaling thread.
Basically meat is cool, unless it:
A. Does irreversable damage to the population or ecology
B. Is done in a overly cruel manner (like skinning a live seal...)
C. Is purely for profit, or retarded beliefs (thanks Asia, both for the whole seal penis thing and the rhino horn powder thing...*******s)
to get back on subject of the seals
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technol...285504,00.htmlGlobal warming threatens cubs
11/03/2008 22:10 - (SA)
Hamburg - Hundreds of newborn seal cubs risk dying of hunger and cold because global warming is making ice in the Arctic Circle melt too fast, the World Wide Fund for Nature in Germany warned on Monday.
"In some parts perhaps not a single one of the seal cubs born in the past few weeks will survive," the WWF said in a statement.
It said hundreds of the roughly 1 500 ringed seal cubs born this month and last month were in danger.
Seal cubs spend the first weeks of their lives in burrows dug in the ice sheet but if that melts, they find themselves in the ocean before they have built up a fat layer that will enable them to survive, WWF's Cathrin Muenster said.
"When the ice melts too fast, the cubs end up in the ice water before they have their insulating fat layer, and they die painfully of hunger and cold."
The WWF said there was less ice in the Arctic this winter than at any point in the past 300 years.
It said the seal cubs most at risk were those along the southwest coast of Finland, the Gulf of Finland and the Gulf of Riga, but warned that the layer of pack ice in the Gulf of Bothnia between Sweden and Finland is also thinner than usual.
WWF estimates that there are between 7 000 and 10 000 ringed seals in the Arctic, compared to 180 000 a century ago.
Scientists say the Arctic is heating up twice as fast as the rest of the planet. The phenomenon also puts at risk polar bears who could become extinct as their natural habitat melts away.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technol...179529,00.htmlMost polar bears gone by 2050
Washington - Two-thirds of the world's polar bear population could be gone by midcentury if predictions of melting sea ice hold true, the US Geological Survey reported on Friday.
The fate of polar bears could be even bleaker than that estimate, because sea ice in the Arctic might be vanishing faster than the available computer models predict, the geological survey said in a report aimed at determining whether the big white bear should be listed as a threatened species.
"There is a definite link between changes in the sea ice and the welfare of polar bears," said Steve Amstrup, who led the research team. Arctic sea ice is already at an all-time low this year and is expected to retreat farther this month, according to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre.
That means that polar bears - some 16 000 of them - will disappear by 2050 from parts of the Arctic where sea ice is melting most rapidly, along the north coasts of Alaska and Russia, researchers said in a telephone briefing.
Other polar bear populations could survive beyond that date but many of those could be gone by 2100, Amstrup said. By century's end, the only polar bears left might live in the Canadian Arctic islands and along the west coast of Greenland.
"Projected changes in future sea ice conditions, if realised, will result in loss of approximately two-thirds of the world's current polar bear population by the mid 21st century," the report's executive summary said.
"Because the observed trajectory of Arctic sea ice decline appears to be underestimated by currently available models, this assessment of future polar bear status may be conservative."
In January, the US Fish and Wildlife Service proposed listing the polar bear as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act, noting polar bears depended on sea ice as a platform to hunt seals, their main prey.
The research released on Friday was sent to the Fish and Wildlife Service. A decision on the bears' status is expected in January.
Without enough sea ice, polar bears would be forced onto land, but they are inefficient hunters once they get out of the water and ice, the researchers said. The bears' disappearance would probably take place as young cubs failed to survive to adulthood and females were unable to reproduce successfully.
The first polar bears probably first appeared about 40 000 to 50 000 years ago, and the species has not lived through a period as warm as the one predicted by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the scientists said.
In a series of reports this year, the U.N. climate panel said with 90% probability that global climate change was occurring and that human activities contributed to it. The emission of greenhouse gases - including carbon dioxide from petroleum-fueled vehicles and coal-fired power plants - is the prime human cause of this warming trend, the panel said.
and for all those who throw the hippie word around
try reading up what it was all about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie
i'm glad i was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair :)
"Hippies rejected established institutions, criticized middle class values, opposed nuclear weapons and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Eastern philosophy, championed sexual liberation, were often vegetarian and eco-friendly"
Yep. you are a hippie wisp. :)
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Well, whatever. A label has nothing to do with the integrity of what someone says. ·_·
peace , love and ban the bomb :)Originally Posted by BlackMage
Yeah but we're like omnivores so we do eat meat.
Look, we need meat. I'm not convinced that someone who doesn't eat any form of meat is as healthy as they should be. Protein, carbs and fat are the essential micro nutrients that everyone requires. No amount of plants will give you enough amounts of protein and amino acids to achieve optimal health. That is, unless you want to stuff your face with pills.
Screw that, I'm against these threads. :p
Meat is awesome- PETA watches too much bambi- pills pollute the environment (factories production lines..etc)- don't kill what you don't need to kill- don't be cruel for the sake of being cruel...
Sums it up I think...
Anyway these threads always degenerate into hippies whining and jocks posturing (generalisation OMG!)
but they start out as wisp usally sharing some truly horrific story- which is cool, keep it up- keep it in our faces..I don't want to forget that my existence is made possible by other beings suffering- keeps me humble.
will do when it makes the news but i don't want to "overkill" (excuse the pun) the subject
Maybe just create one "OMG teh pore animules" thread that you can update regularly, as these threads ALWAYS end up the same, as has been said before. All my views have been posted so no need for me to duplicate them, I just wish that everyone could try see the other side of the arguement for once. I try to do that now, and it saves my ass sometimes if I see how someone would react to what I am saying.
Right now I am seeing that anyone who openly objects to the culling of an animal to try and make up for a mistake made by past generations is obviously not seeing that the decision wasn't made by someone who said, 'Hey, let's legalise babby seal bashing". It was made by a parliamentarian, and he must have had environmentalists advising him, and must have had activists contacting him to talk about it, and this was THE BEST outcome. Do you really think a decision will ever be made that will favour animals over humans? No, not in my opinion. So unless you can call him, wisp, and tell him a viable alternative this decision will stick.
Do some research insead of just posting articles and reminding us, time and time again, that it is horrible. Maybe start a thread to brainstorm new methods of sorting out overpopulation problems. I would definately contribute to that thread.
Mass gas the seals, imo. If this isn't a morally viable option, surely, a Canadian Schindler or someone will come to their aid.
And how do you propose to round up 275 000 seal, put them in one area and gass them?
Ummm are you famliar with wittisism and sarcasm?
The refference to a Canadian Schindler should have let your lolz alarm go off.;)
And are you aware of the term spamming, if not I'll let you know it can be used to define killing a serious discussion with unnescessary jokes, not that anyone here considers the holocaust a joke I'm sure.
Sorry if I sound like I have a carrot up my arse, it's been a long day.
Personally, I found it very funny, and a breath of fresh air in a thread tjat is not going anywhere.
The thing is, most of us want meat, and as long as it's not us doing the killing, we don't give a **** where it comes from.
The people who DO care, are the hippies :p
Fair enough.
I think too many of these posts have gone off at a tangent. Try to stick to the topic, please.
Havent read teh whole thread, just wanted to post my opinion on the OP.
Culling of a species is one thing, such as in the elephant culling thread, for the benefit of the species and no economic gain is to be made of it.
If communities are dependant on seal hunting, isnt it by definition not culling?
So yeah, quite strongly against seal hunting, clubbing killing.
Raising or hunting animals, humainly for food is one thing, but for fashion, my god man, get some morals. (This wasnt targetted at anyonein the thread, but to the seal hunters, and people who buy such items of clothing)
Thank you young sir, the last thing I need right now is to be reminded time and time again how cruel and hartless we are.
Gimme five boy.......
Cape Cross, Skeleton Coast, Namibia.
There's a ****ton of them and we cull as well. They get caught in nets, they end up starving because there's barely any fish in their area (especially young seals have trouble) so they're gonna die of starvation anyway.
There's people who can make a living from this, buying food and paying rent, but nooooo don't hit the seals because they're cute and fluffy. Odds are you (in the 'you know who you are' context) say that while stuffing your face with a burger.
There are worse things than culling and the reasons against culling are somewhat limp.
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