Official "System Builders" Thread

[{G}Zulu]

Well said, Wesley.

[DiceAir]

In my honest opinion, if you're that much of a bitch for PhysX, then you deserve to have your money wasted by the corporate douche****s.

If you can't see that 5850 crossfire outperforms the 460 SLi while costing the same amount of cash, yet you still stick with the 460s just because of PhysX. Yeah.

Then again, I'm the type of guy who'll ditch the SSD and get a blu ray drive, but hey, that's just me I guess. I'd rather be able to use my FullHD screen (which you suggested) to it's maximum, than wait 10sec less for windows to boot.

you morons should stop bitching and start providing link as to where the 5850 performs the same as 2x 460. if performance is the same then I will rather go for the 2x 460 cause of physx and cuda.


According to this link the 2x 460 sometimes outperform a 5870 in cf so look again.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...60-sli-review/

Now on to the SSD part. I agree 100% with you. I will rather get something like a 500GB and spend the money I save on a better GPU, CPU or more RAM

[Miz3r]

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Im not that clued up on crossfire and Sli like i would like too be, but im going too xfire my 5770s and i heard that is on par with a 5870 in some instances, also i could do this with the new mobo im getting and also have enuf space too slap a physx card in there aswell.

I suppose its down too what you want in the end, if you want a pumping pc with lotsa physx then get ure 460s in SLi otherwise go with Ati and just put a dedicated physx card in there, donno if that makes any sense but in my head it did lol.

[DiceAir]

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Im not that clued up on crossfire and Sli like i would like too be, but im going too xfire my 5770s and i heard that is on par with a 5870 in some instances, also i could do this with the new mobo im getting and also have enuf space too slap a physx card in there aswell.

I suppose its down too what you want in the end, if you want a pumping pc with lotsa physx then get ure 460s in SLi otherwise go with Ati and just put a dedicated physx card in there, donno if that makes any sense but in my head it did lol.

You can go the ATI way with dedicated physx but that will be expensive and tricky to get it to work

[Miz3r]

Um its rather simple actually, my friend did it without having too mod a dummy plug, with the new nvidea drivers you dont even need a dummy plug, just install the drivers and the physx mod that you download and BAM it works, simple solution too a problem that in the past was hard too achieve.

Hmm expensive, well lets see, 2x460s will cost you around R5000 or so , and 2x5770 is xfire + a 240gt for physx or 9800gt for around R1000 roughly works out too same price and performance i would imagine, just means you will be utilizing majority of the pci ports 3 too be exact as opposed too 2 with the Sli configuration.

The nvidea Sli option looks pretty good, but then again the Ati is also an option, both have there drawbacks and possitives and negatives, and all down too what the user wants at then end of the day that will satisfy his/her needs.

so hope you find the right option for what you are willing too pay and just consider all options before you rush into a decision that might leave you dissapointed when you could of gone another route and been happy.

Best of luck with your purchase though.

[Miz3r]

Ok lets look into that comment , there are more than enough guides online that will enable you too get physx too work with out much effort, myself and a friend achieved it quite easily the other weekend with just the newest nvidea drivers along with the physx patch and BAM it works perfect.

so there is no need anymore too mod a dummy plug like we had too do in the past now its a simple solution too an old problem.

If you want too compare lets take a lookie then,

2x460s will cost you around +-R5000 or so and you get your physx from that.

2x5770 in xfire will cost around +-R3800 + a 240gt for around R800 for physx and there you go, already a bit of a saving for almost the same performance.

Its all dependant on the consumers end decision, if you want too go Ati or Nvidea, we can argue all day for which way too go but in the end, its your money and you should get best option for the price you pay, i can not justify which is the better option as both have there possitives and negatives and succeed where others fail.

But if you want too go with the 460s in Sli or another Ati configuration that is your choice and decision alone too make.

Good luck with your build tho, keep us informed with what you decide on in the end.



baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa double post sorry, clicked save twice, my bad

[McDangerous]

you morons should stop bitching and start providing link as to where the 5850 performs the same as 2x 460. if performance is the same then I will rather go for the 2x 460 cause of physx and cuda.


According to this link the 2x 460 sometimes outperform a 5870 in cf so look again.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...60-sli-review/

Now on to the SSD part. I agree 100% with you. I will rather get something like a 500GB and spend the money I save on a better GPU, CPU or more RAM

Hmmmm.... Well, seeing as I follow Guru3D quite closely, and I read through that review again, there's only one game that the 460's beat the 5870's, and that's FC2, which uses ATi's Havok physics engine..... The rest of the time, the 5850's in crossfire beat it out by a large margin. Also, the ATi cards are a lot more overclockable than the 460's, so you'll get even more of a performance boost.

But hey, psssshhht, it's obviously rather moronic to take all of the games into account than focus on the one game your 460's beat the 5870's, that being the game that doesn't use PhysX ironically.

Seeing as your parents think you're incapable of building a PC yourself, and you're obviously not shy about wasting your money, maybe rather look at something like an Alienware? Or, maybe you should save the money you're going to use for the PC and take a course in statistics and/or mathematics, that you can learn to read little numbers in graphs and interpret them correctly.

It's usually a bad idea to call the people helping you morons. If you weren't prepared to hear other opinions then you shouldn't have asked for them.

[CrashHelmut]

On the GTX460 SLI vs HD5850 / HD5870 xfire debate: I tend to follow HardOCP and Anandtech's results as I feel they have a superior testing method (especially HardOCP). Have a look at their recent GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI vs. Radeon HD 5870 CFX article:

If our earlier articles have not proved it yet, this one surely puts the final nail in the coffin. GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI real world gaming performance is superior to even AMD?s fastest high-end single GPU video cards in a CrossFireX configuration. And do keep in mind this is real gaming, not benchmarks.

Right now you can go with either NVIDIA or AMD in the mainstream market, both should do you fine. But from a hardware enthusiast's perspective, one can't deny the facts, the GTX 460 is a mighty fine card.

Also, this:

[McDangerous]

On the GTX460 SLI vs HD5850 / HD5870 xfire debate: I tend to follow HardOCP and Anandtech's results as I feel they have a superior testing method (especially HardOCP). Have a look at their recent GeForce GTX 460 1GB SLI vs. Radeon HD 5870 CFX article:



Right now you can go with either NVIDIA or AMD in the mainstream market, both should do you fine. But from a hardware enthusiast's perspective, one can't deny the facts, the GTX 460 is a mighty fine card.

Also, this:

BEST VIDEO EVAR!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for that review dude, appreciated. I had my facts skewed, I didn't think the SLi setup was that powerful. It's unexpected, because the single card isn't that strong, but the scaling in SLi is absolutely enormous. Well done to the nVidiots, their driver team did an amazing job on that.

Even in that case though, I'd rather take the AMD setup and the Crossfire configuration. It is at the end of the day the reason I suggested crossfire, because the board I suggested doesn't support SLi. With the AMD setup I suggested you get higher quality, high-end components that are fully upgradeable, whereas with the Intel build you're stuck with your chipset.

I'll admit though, I am biased towards AMD/ATi, because of the **** Intel and nVidia has gotten up to. I've always preferred the underdog, and the company who takes care of the people. Intel and nVidia = capitalism in the gaming world.

[Chevron]

In my honest opinion, if you're that much of a bitch for PhysX, then you deserve to have your money wasted by the corporate douche****s.

If you can't see that 5850 crossfire outperforms the 460 SLi while costing the same amount of cash, yet you still stick with the 460s just because of PhysX. Yeah.

Then again, I'm the type of guy who'll ditch the SSD and get a blu ray drive, but hey, that's just me I guess. I'd rather be able to use my FullHD screen (which you suggested) to it's maximum, than wait 10sec less for windows to boot.

That's what mkvs are for. :)

[McDangerous]

Heh? Isn't mkv just another video format? Also, there isn't a way you can watch blu ray quality movies or concerts without having a blu ray player, or a stupidly fast internet connection to download 50GB in a reasonable amount of time. I'm referring to legal methods of course.

[Chevron]

Heh? Isn't mkv just another video format? Also, there isn't a way you can watch blu ray quality movies or concerts without having a blu ray player, or a stupidly fast internet connection to download 50GB in a reasonable amount of time. I'm referring to legal methods of course.

No.

[McDangerous]

Shortest reply in the history of the forum. You've outdone yourself Chev!

[Wesley]

Heh? Isn't mkv just another video format? Also, there isn't a way you can watch blu ray quality movies or concerts without having a blu ray player, or a stupidly fast internet connection to download 50GB in a reasonable amount of time. I'm referring to legal methods of course.

http://www.netflix.com/

That's what you're looking for.

[McDangerous]

As I said before though, to get the same picture and audio quality as you would with a Blu Ray, you'll need to stream 50GBs to your PC, and with SA's internet speeds, that's highly unlikely that you'll be able to stream it at all, or even download it in a reasonable amount of time.

[GeometriX]

I know that the term "on topic" is pretty loose in this thread but you're all obviously off-topic. Either start a new thread or find a way to wangle this discussion into Upgrade Help.

[Miz3r]

Right so whilst looking for a new set of speakers i came across these from Prophecy, they look pretty good for R1089, but cost R200 more than the logitech x-530s which i was either going too go for so dont know if that R200 is worth it, here is the link and picture



linki:http://www.prophecy.co.za/logitech-9...r-p-82580.html

[McDangerous]

I know that the term "on topic" is pretty loose in this thread but you're all obviously off-topic. Either start a new thread or find a way to wangle this discussion into Upgrade Help.

Aren't I the ****ing cutest? :3

Right so whilst looking for a new set of speakers i came across these from Prophecy, they look pretty good for R1089, but cost R200 more than the logitech x-530s which i was either going too go for so dont know if that R200 is worth it, here is the link and picture

linki:http://www.prophecy.co.za/logitech-9...r-p-82580.html

I think the extra is worth it, especially when I saw that you now have dedicated input ports at the back of the subwoofer. I have the x-530's, and they don't have it, you have to use a special little adaptor thing, which I lost. So, go for these rather if you can find 'em, seeing as they're out of stock.

[SC(+)PE]

Thanks for the concern McDangerous, while you may have fine points, Wesley is on the money:

I think those two reasons cancel each other out and make your post irrelevant to him :P

I'll pay a little extra to go with the company who I feel a bit more affection towards. No point in them investing millions into marketing and new toys like physX if it doesn't win someone over :)

I wont be a fan-boy about it, will just vote with my wallet.

[RockSpyDeR]

Hey guys, new one the forum with a question.

Although I consider myself to be on an more than basic level in system building and not a "noob", just wanted to know what you guys think of my latest project I just completed?

Asus M4A79XTD EVO = R 1367.99
AMD Athlon II X2 Dual-Core (245) 2.9GHz = R 619.48
Club3D CGAX-58524DPO ATI HD5850 O/C Edition = R 3276.19
GIGABYTE ODIN 585W PSU = R 588.64
Kingston ValueRAM 6GB (3x2GB) 1333 MHz DDR3 = R 2103.30

TOTAL = R 7955.60



B.T.W. Glad to be part of the forums