BioShock 2 System Requirements, DRM Revealed

[Interfan]

Originally Posted by CrashHelmut

Now come on, be honest here, how many times could you possibly reinstall the same game? I don't think I've ever done more than 3 times. Even if you annually format your hard drive, that means you can reinstall the game for 15 years (if you never use the revoke tool). DRM is shit, we can all agree to that. But I feel 15 installs is more than enough.

I have reninstalled and played my black isle rpg collection a lot more than 15 times.

[Obi Two Kenobi]

Enough of a reason to get a cracked pirate copy? No crap installation and removed irritation features?

For once, or maybe twice, yes

Me don't hope that starts something now...

[Cleric]

Originally Posted by Obi Two Kenobi

Enough of a reason to get a cracked pirate copy?

No it is not. If you do not like the product presented to you, you don't have to buy it, and you certainly have no right to steal it.

[Shadow_Con]

My computer as far as i know cant play anything from about the past 7 years so these drm problems dont bother me thanks to my xbox. ;)

[Stalker 103]

Okay, I just need to find out if you will need to be connected to the internet to play (Meaning if it has to connected to play singleplayer) or is this just for multiplayer? Also, will I need to reactivate it every time I want to play or every few days?

[Rambo919]

Originally Posted by Cleric

No it is not. If you do not like the product presented to you, you don't have to buy it, and you certainly have no right to steal it.

Overly-rightious hostility...i sense

Whatever lies you may tell yourself to justify your expenditures to yourself...here are a few well accepted point amoungst those you clearly dispise so much for thinking for themselves.

If you were never going to buy it in the first place you were never going to give anyone money, thus there is not even potential money being taken away from ANYONE. It is the personal responsibility of the individual to purchase the product if he/she deems it worthy of purchase, this is a question of moral character. The persons that choose NEVER to purchase these products, them you can loathe, for the rest...please keep froth and spittle too a minimum.

Secondly, in addendum to the previous point, if a product is: sub-par, offensive in terms of what the buyer expects(so to speak) or simply irritating beyond belief because of being dumbed down...then no one has the right to force him to pay for this untastefull experience. Basically developers, publishers and the rest of the clic have a unhealthy power over the typical consumer which decides for said consumer what he should pay for and how big his smile should be...some of us dont really care for this arrogance so we refuse to fund it.

[The_Furry_Cat]

I played BioShock last year, it was good (story-wise) but I think it's vastly overrated.

So they want us to be online 24/7 when playing this game? I will pass this.

@Rambo919. couldn't agree more with you -_-

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Originally Posted by Rambo919

If you were never going to buy it in the first place you were never going to give anyone money, thus there is not even potential money being taken away from ANYONE. It is the personal responsibility of the individual to purchase the product if he/she deems it worthy of purchase, this is a question of moral character. The persons that choose NEVER to purchase these products, them you can loathe, for the rest...please keep froth and spittle too a minimum.

If you were never going to buy it, why are you playing it?

Hmmm?

Oh, because you feel entitled to try the entire game first before deciding to buy it, huh? Stupid excuse for pirating imo.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

Secondly, in addendum to the previous point, if a product is: sub-par, offensive in terms of what the buyer expects(so to speak) or simply irritating beyond belief because of being dumbed down...then no one has the right to force him to pay for this untastefull experience. Basically developers, publishers and the rest of the clic have a unhealthy power over the typical consumer which decides for said consumer what he should pay for and how big his smile should be...some of us dont really care for this arrogance so we refuse to fund it.

Haha, if the game sucks don't buy it. I've never seen anyone hold a gun to someone's head saying they have to buy a game. And again, you are -not- entitled to try a game for free. Just explain how you could possible think that.

[Rambo919]

Originally Posted by brazed

If you were never going to buy it, why are you playing it? Hmmm? Oh, because you feel entitled to try the entire game first before deciding to buy it, huh? Stupid excuse for pirating imo. Haha, if the game sucks don't buy it. I've never seen anyone hold a gun to someone's head saying they have to buy a game. And again, you are -not- entitled to try a game for free. Just explain how you could possible think that.

First off...your high level of humour only amuses the childish

Secondly only fools feel entitled to anything

Thirdly I do not have the godly powers needed to know beforehand exactly what experience ANYTHING will bring me before i try it, and neither sir do you. Unfortunately very few demos exist that even give a good glimpse, these days I only use them as benchmarks for how well the game will run.

Which leaves us with my original point of only rewarding quality while leaving shlock in the drain where it so rightly belongs.

P.S. you ARE holding a gun at my head forcing me to buy it o wise and wonderful one

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First off...your high level of humour only amuses the childish

Spare me the personal attacks.

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Thirdly I do not have the godly powers needed to know beforehand exactly what experience ANYTHING will bring me before i try it, and neither sir do you. Unfortunately very few demos exist that even give a good glimpse, these days I only use them as benchmarks for how well the game will run.

This is probably true, but it still doesn't justify piracy. You pay for the right to play. It's a hobby, and an expensive one. Whether or not you choose to do research beforehand (i.e. demos, reviews, people in the store's opinions) is up to you.

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Which leaves us with my original point of only rewarding quality while leaving shlock in the drain where it so rightly belongs.

You still played the schlock, right? You still installed it and tried it out? I wish there was a refund market for PC gaming, but ironically, it's because of piracy that there isn't one. The fact is you are still 'experiencing' a product without having any right to do so. That experience can be either good or bad.

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P.S. you ARE holding a gun at my head forcing me to buy it o wise and wonderful one

You can drop the attitude. It's a luxury good. If you want to enjoy it, you have to pay the right of admission. You aren't forced to buy it. If you want to play, of course you have to pay for it. Do you NEED to play it? Does your survival depend on it? Of course not.

[Rambo919]

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Spare me the personal attacks.

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You can drop the attitude.

Look who's talking

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This is probably true, but it still doesn't justify piracy. You pay for the right to play. It's a hobby, and an expensive one. Whether or not you choose to do research beforehand (i.e. demos, reviews, people in the store's opinions) is up to you.

No justification needed:
opinion is always tainted by personal choice and reviews focus on the overall thus any minor irritations that make it unplayable for certaitain individuals(each has his own) are not touched on.
Demos can lie about the experience in fact more and more are doing so by not being really drawn out of the game verbatim, they are instead being pieced together by the best bits of the game thus fooling the player into believing the whole game is like that, i.e. Batman: AA and wolfenstein.

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You still played the schlock, right? You still installed it and tried it out?

Yes and then i deleted it with no money wasted on the useless endevour. Freedom tates nice, that most products these days id never pay for or at least not what is being asked makes me feel like puking.

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I wish there was a refund market for PC gaming, but ironically, it's because of piracy that there isn't one. The fact is you are still 'experiencing' a product without having any right to do so. That experience can be either good or bad.

I dissagree, what people usually conveniently forget(sometimes for money, sometimes because it makes their heads hurt, sometimes because they just dont care) is that there are two kinds of very different piracy:
The kind where its sold to the public
The playground type

The first directly influences the gaming economy badly while the second is what it always has been:
So casual no one cares
No money of any kind gets transferred
With the more enlightened induviduals there is the "if you like it, buy it" attitude

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It's a luxury good. If you want to enjoy it, you have to pay the right of admission. You aren't forced to buy it. If you want to play, of course you have to pay for it. Do you NEED to play it? Does your survival depend on it? Of course not.

All these are very true BUT everyone votes with their wallets, to try it out and really see what you voted yes for the first time makes you sometimes want to for no for it twice...but you cant because the system is rigged.

The world has changed but no one wants to admit the second part of the change, in a perfect democracy the public has their own pull and this pull wont be stopped by digging heads further into the sand and ignoring it. The old way of distributing and controlling media is half dead and dying, those who do not embrace change and change with it are inevitably left behind. What you call piracy is the new rock and roll, so revolutionary that the old rock and roll is scared of it too, i.e. metallica(hahaha that was hillarious when that happened).

If people dont like the food they are given they allways secure their own

[Obi Two Kenobi]

BioShock 2 DRM Update

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Over the past two days, I've fielded a lot of questions and concerns about the DRM for both the retail and digital versions of BioShock 2. Because of this feedback, we are scaling back BioShock 2's DRM. There will be no SecuROM install limits for either the retail or digital editions of BioShock 2, and SecuROM will be used only to verify the game's executable and check the date. Beyond that, we are only using standard Games for Windows Live non-SSA guidelines, which, per Microsoft, comes with 15 activations (after that, you can reset them with a call to Microsoft.) What does that mean for your gameplay experience? This means that BioShock 2's new DRM is now similar to many popular games you advised had better DRM through both digital and retail channels. Many of you have used Batman: Arkham Asylum as an example to me, which uses the exact same Games for Windows Live guidelines as us as well as SecuROM on retail discs, and now our SecuROM is less restrictive on Steam. I know that the variables of PC gaming can be frustrating and confusing, and when you say there is a problem, we listen, and use your suggestions to make things better. Feedback like this does not go unheard, and while this might not be the ideal protection for everyone, we will continue to listen and work with you in the future when formulating our DRM plans.

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture...mupdatescaling

[brazed]

Originally Posted by Rambo919

Look who's talking

Good story bro.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

No justification needed: opinion is always tainted by personal choice and reviews focus on the overall thus any minor irritations that make it unplayable for certaitain individuals(each has his own) are not touched on.

Ok, so you break the law because you only value your own opinion on games.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

Demos can lie about the experience in fact more and more are doing so by not being really drawn out of the game verbatim, they are instead being pieced together by the best bits of the game thus fooling the player into believing the whole game is like that, i.e. Batman: AA and wolfenstein.

Of course, it's all the developers fault for not spending more time and money on a demo. I wonder if you have any idea what goes into the production of a demo...

Originally Posted by Rambo919

Yes and then i deleted it with no money wasted on the useless endevour. Freedom tates nice, that most products these days id never pay for or at least not what is being asked makes me feel like puking.

Yes, bad games should be given away for free, because they obviously didn't spend anything on development or waste much time on making it.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

I dissagree, what people usually conveniently forget(sometimes for money, sometimes because it makes their heads hurt, sometimes because they just dont care) is that there are two kinds of very different piracy: The kind where its sold to the public The playground type The first directly influences the gaming economy badly while the second is what it always has been: So casual no one cares No money of any kind gets transferred With the more enlightened induviduals there is the "if you like it, buy it" attitude

Again, you're using something you have no right to. It's a criminal act. You can't justify it. Saying you wouldn't have bought it anyway is a weak excuse. You're still using it, right? Then you have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

All these are very true BUT everyone votes with their wallets, to try it out and really see what you voted yes for the first time makes you sometimes want to for no for it twice...but you cant because the system is rigged.

You're not voting at all, you're simply stealing and breaking the law.

Originally Posted by Rambo919

The world has changed but no one wants to admit the second part of the change, in a perfect democracy the public has their own pull and this pull wont be stopped by digging heads further into the sand and ignoring it. The old way of distributing and controlling media is half dead and dying, those who do not embrace change and change with it are inevitably left behind. What you call piracy is the new rock and roll, so revolutionary that the old rock and roll is scared of it too, i.e. metallica(hahaha that was hillarious when that happened). If people dont like the food they are given they allways secure their own

Your posts drip with entitlement attitude and the last bit stinks of troll.

[Rambo919]

Yes mighty one, your word is law, I shall stop having my own opinion now, hallowed and superior are the mods

[brazed]

Originally Posted by Rambo919

Yes mighty one, your word is law, I shall stop having my own opinion now, hallowed and superior are the mods

And don't you forget it.

[Obi Two Kenobi]

Just when I thought things are starting to go great here at NAG online..

Some things will never change it seems

[FTB_Screamer]

Originally Posted by maxdamage

Unfortunately, it's not quite as simple as just having enough iron to actually run the game. If you want to play, you've got to play by the rules, to wit: "Initial installation requires one-time internet connection; ability to save game, earn achievements, receive title updates and online play requires log-in to Games for Windows LIVE; software installations required including Microsoft Visual C++2008 Runtime Libraries, Games for Windows LIVE client, Games for Windows LIVE Client Patch, Sony DADC SecuROM, Microsoft DirectX."

Compared to UPlay used by all future Ubisoft PC titles, ACII included, this implementation is a godsend.

[Rah_Skill]

G4WL on Fallout 3 = No complaints
However on GTA4 and everything else... Typical MS bull****

But I still don't see the need for Securom, G4WL & Steam.. That's overkill.

[Rah_Skill]

As for Rambo and Brazed... Everyone has their own views and if someone wants to break the law, so be it. I do, however, remember a law I studied that states piracy/bootlegging is acceptable for 'trials'. That is, you test the software (as for music and movies... I'm not sure) and have a time-limit to do so. You MUST delete that pirated material after the alloted time.

It makes sense; how many of you have friends? Good, at least you're not totally a loser, then. ^.^

If you invite a friend round and they want to play the new Mass Effect (Or any new title you bought), do you tell them "No, you're not allowed. You sit over there like a good boy and stare at the wall while I play my game."? Of course the friend can play your game. If they like it they'll buy it.

[brazed]

Originally Posted by Rah_Skill

As for Rambo and Brazed... Everyone has their own views and if someone wants to break the law, so be it.

Wut?

Originally Posted by Rah_Skill

I do, however, remember a law I studied that states piracy/bootlegging is acceptable for 'trials'. That is, you test the software (as for music and movies... I'm not sure) and have a time-limit to do so. You MUST delete that pirated material after the alloted time.

I doubt it. You have EULA's that dictate the terms of use. I know you can legally return most things you buy during a certain 'grace period'. It probably should apply to software too, but I doubt you'll find any store that will allow you to return PC Software.

Originally Posted by Rah_Skill

If you invite a friend round and they want to play the new Mass Effect (Or any new title you bought), do you tell them "No, you're not allowed. You sit over there like a good boy and stare at the wall while I play my game."? Of course the friend can play your game. If they like it they'll buy it.

Good point. Take consoles for example, many people in a dorm might purchase just one copy of a game and everyone plays it. That's pretty much the same thing in essence, but the numbers won't be near what's happening to PC games and software.

You buy a license, permission to run that software, in other words. The license contains the terms of how you are able to interact with the software. If you don't agree with that arrangement, you don't pay.

The point still stands, when you install software, you have to agree to the terms of use. If you break those terms you broke contract. Even if it seems silly, it is what it is.